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We're Peace Activists… But We Refuse To Support Palestine
We're Peace Activists… But We Refuse To Support Palestine
Joseph Cohen - Israel Advocacy Movement
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3 weeks ago • 47:37 min
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You know when you are too much you know
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meomi TV you kind of get into it you
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know so you know what to do.
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>> So for those that aren't familiar in
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Islam there's hadith that prevent
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Muslims from wishing salam to a Jew. And
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so they'll say if you're Hebrews
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shalom
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shalom just no shalom no salam no peace
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for you what to do what to do but you
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know this is my way kind of to outmuslim
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the Muslims so you know sometimes it's
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appealing sometimes not but you know I
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actually believe that our enemies and
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you know even our inshallah future
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allies have a like a role to teach us
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something about ourselves.
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I agree, but not when it comes to
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wishing peace. I think when it comes to
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wishing peace, if someone's a Christian,
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give them peace. If someone's a Jew,
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give them peace. If someone's a Muslim,
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give them peace. If Islamic jihad, maybe
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withhold it, withhold your peace.
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>> Yeah. We're not going to cut your
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throat. Like, it's not going to be
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painful. You know, we're going to do it
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very, very squeaky clean and you're not
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going to feel a thing. But your head
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going to be separated.
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>> I think this actually touched on one of
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the things I find most fascinating. Um
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people will often look to verses in the
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Tanakh and they'll say no look here
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there's a verse it seems quite violent
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and it's like yes 3,000 years ago there
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were some violent verses some violent
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altercations in the Middle East but none
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of those people exist this is the major
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distinction in Quran it says
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when you meet the strike the throat now
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the exists today theani doesn't the
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Canaanite does not exist.
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>> I think this is one of the the the
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problems which the Muslims have to
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grapple with is there are verses which
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are violent and they instruct violence
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against a people that are in existence
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today. Whereas if you look to the Bible,
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the foundational text of the Jews and
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the Christian, while there were um
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what's called mitzvah, a religious war,
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they were bound to a certain period of
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time which we've now left. Um and I
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think that's one of the major
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differences
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>> for sure. Not to mention that you know
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we are already believing in the we are
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not idol worshippers and we are not
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kufur but there is a tendency in the
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Muslim world and I will not generalize
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to all Muslims cuz you and I know us a
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Muslims too but there's a tendency for
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supremacy and subjection and it's like a
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a mindset which is so
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unformed that if you are not thinking
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and believing exactly like me then you
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are kufur then you are illegitimate so
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on and so forth and that's the Islamic
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brotherhood mindset that eventually
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penetrated I think 90% of the um
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>> is actually holding that
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>> I think it's deeper than the so few so
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yeah you literally we jump straight into
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one of the most fundamental
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conversations in Islamic Jewish
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relations and that is who is upon kufur
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who is upon disbelief and most Muslim if
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If you if you read the taps of say Ib
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who's long before the Muslim Brotherhood
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>> his taps will say that um the Jews and
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the Christians
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they are upon they are in a state of
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disgrace and what kufur translates to in
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its most basic is disbelief. And so you
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have disbelief and then you have um shik
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and shik is polytheism.
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>> And so most Muslims throughout the
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history of Islam have said that Jews
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aren't upon shik. They're not
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polytheists. They're not idoltors,
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>> but they're also not upon the faith.
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They're not amongst the believers
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because
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>> because they rejected the prophet
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Muhammad and Isa and whatever whatever.
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Yeah. Well, listen, obviously we both
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coming, you know, we talked before
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filming this, we talked about that we're
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going to tell about our backgrounds and
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I think that our backgrounds is very
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important to this,
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I guess, uh, conversation. It's not
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really a debate because, you know, you
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and I are proud Zionist. We believe in
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the aspirations of AMIS. We believe in I
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don't think you believe anymore the in
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the two-state solution.
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>> No, no. I I've abandoned
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>> and I used to believe in the two-state
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solution by the way. I used to but you
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know background wise I'm coming from a
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place of peace activism. I used to have
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an organization used to found
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organization called the home habit where
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the main idea was to create a space of
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creating connection between Palestinians
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and settlers which I highly
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see them as the torch carriers of AI is.
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And I saw the good and the bad and the
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ugly in the Palestinian society as well
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as we have in the Israeli society
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obviously. So eventually one of the
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things that is my conclusion from the
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encounters with Palestinians especially
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Muslims is that if we are not creating
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like a a theological completion between
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Islam and Judaism this way or the other,
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there will never be peace.
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because I believe that the conflict in
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its roots is religious. It's
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theological. It's about who inherit the
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land of Israel or what they mistakenly
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call Palestine.
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And if we are not going to clarify and
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create such a big picture to find what's
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legitimate in Islam and definitely
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what's legitimate in Judaism and find a
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common ground to advance from it to a
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bigger picture, then we're still going
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to be stuck. So I I completely agree. So
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Islam is in crisis.
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1400 years ago according to the Islamic
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narrative Muhammad comes along and he
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deals with the reality of the day and
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over 1400 years a theology has evolved
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which creates a system a cast system
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with the Muslims
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um who if you're a Jew Christian and
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you're living in a Muslim land you are
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underneath the Muslims and you're
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afforded certain protections but they
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come at a high price and they're not
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always that protective live. In fact,
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they can be quite bloody depending where
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you were under which of the caliphates
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you were living.
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>> And
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that's how it was. And so the every
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single Islamic scholar who lived post
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Muhammad was dealing with this reality
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with the Muslims at the top and the Jews
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at the bottom. And so they develop
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theologies, they develop ideas. And the
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system evolves in a way that the Jews
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are under the Muslim. And that is Islam.
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The Jews are not supposed to have a
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state. They're supposed to be scattered.
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The Muslims are supposed to dominate the
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world. The entire world is going to
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become Muslim or at least become under
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Allah. Um, and
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it creates a serious problem for the
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Muslims. And what's the problem? Israel.
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We have liberated ourselves. And for the
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last 100 years, a handful of desert
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dwelling Jews have humiliated
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every army that
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>> goes totally against their theology,
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what they were raised on, what they
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learned in schools, in kindergartens
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>> and they cannot understand why.
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>> And here's the thing,
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>> in their narrative, sorry to cut you,
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but when I cut, I do it with a smile.
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But in their narrative, Allah is
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supposed to be with them. How come that
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Allah have granted victory to the
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yahood?
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>> Allah is with us. And so what what we
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what both you and I do is something what
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most people don't realize. When somebody
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comes to kill you and dominate you, most
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people's reaction is to fight that
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ideology. And both you and I are doing
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something crazy. We're throwing the
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Muslims a lifeline. They're coming over
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the mountain with in their hordes with
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their swords raised ready to cut down
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the Yehoodi and they meet two smiling
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Jews who fur them a lifeline because
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when you attack you're going to get
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humiliated. It's going to undermine your
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entire faith and we're going to give you
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a path through you can still remain
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Muslim. What is that path through? It's
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that actually Jewish flourishment,
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Jewish success in the holy land
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>> and even Jewish power, Jewish might, you
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know, and they are very very
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uncomfortable when they encounter with
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Jewish might.
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>> And I think that what you and I do also
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is that because we're so confident in
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our Jewish identity and we're not
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shaking from their whatever whatever BS,
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it's going to trigger them to be even
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more angry. And to be honest, I love it
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when it happened.
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>> So I one of the things I find out I'll
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get to that in a minute. I match their
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energy and something beautiful happens.
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And so what was going to conclude my
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thought was so what do we do? We give
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the Muslims a religious reason to
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support the existence of Israel
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>> and even join and even join
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>> 100% because there's nothing in the
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Quran that actually goes against Jews
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thriving in the Holy Land. In fact, it's
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the opposite. The Quran explicitly
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promised it to us 3,000 years ago.
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>> 3,500 years ago,
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>> but they always say 3,000. So, we play
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that game.
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And it's this is Moses being the
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children of Israel. Oh my people, enter
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the holy land. This land here, God has
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written promised to you.
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>> But for that, they need to deny that we
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are who we are. And they need to deny
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that we are the children of Israel, that
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we are bunny. But it's again it's very
[10:16]
easy to counter because there were Jews
[10:18]
alive today from your ancestral or not
[10:22]
ancestral post ancestral ancestral land
[10:25]
from Yemen. So you have background in
[10:27]
Yemen. There are Yemeni Jews that there
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are Jews that are named in the
[10:30]
constitution of Medina. 12 Jewish tribes
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are named.
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>> Some of those families the tribe moved
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to Yemen. That family is still alive
[10:38]
here today. The Jews from the time of
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Medina they're not sitting in New York.
[10:42]
They're not sitting in Poland. They're
[10:44]
sitting in Jerusalem.
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They're sitting in Israel.
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>> Mia 100%. But before we're gonna speak
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about the Ammonite Jews because I want
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to raise the story of my grandfather
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Mushi Shalom.
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>> You know, you mentioned before that that
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Islam came to the world 1,400 years ago.
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and what happens now when the Jewish
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people coming back to our land and what
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happens to how the ummah encounters with
[11:10]
this uh with the fulfillment of the
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prophecies of the prophets of Allah. Now
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you said correctly for 1,400 years
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Muslims always been in a status of being
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above the Jews. The Jews were always
[11:26]
inferior always demi and always
[11:29]
submitting to the Muslims. Sometimes it
[11:31]
was very good, sometimes it was very
[11:34]
bad. I'm just going to be honest. Like
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there were periods of time it's it
[11:37]
wasn't like you know some people try to
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depicted that always the Muslims used to
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oppress and be bad with the Jews. You
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know for example Morocco relatively was
[11:47]
very you know time of prosperity for the
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Jewish community. Even Morocco, some of
[11:53]
the darkest chapters of course
[11:56]
and in the 50s and is Yeah,
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>> 100%. But I'm not trying to depict it as
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only black or only white. But what
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happens is that
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after 1,400 years, suddenly the Jews
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regain power. And I will even argue that
[12:13]
the promises of God fulfill the words of
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our prophets. what we tried to tell them
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during 1,400 years. But we were so
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inferior and so miserable that they
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didn't even bother to listen to the
[12:29]
words of our prophets because we were so
[12:31]
weak. Now it's coming true and they do
[12:35]
not know how to handle with the
[12:36]
situation and to interpret their own
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scriptures how should they react towards
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the Jews once the Jews coming back to
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the land exactly like it's written in
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their sources. Now
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this is part of the what created the
[12:53]
Islamic malfunction. Okay. From the one
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hand this supremacist ideology that we
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have to be under them but to encounter
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strong Jews that convey to them a sense
[13:06]
that they feel inferior
[13:09]
and you know the ummah didn't have to
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give answers regarding how to react or
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how to act from their sources. once
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there's Jewish rule that Muslims are a
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part of and not the other way around.
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And that's something that they will need
[13:25]
to encounter and to resolve sooner or
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later. And I say that it's up to us
[13:30]
actually to the state of Israel, to the
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Jewish people, especially to the strong
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Jews to start the moves to convey
[13:38]
this political system structure in a
[13:41]
more traditional way. as I say here, not
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two-state solution, Jew state solution
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that include also the non-Jews as loyal
[13:51]
citizens or residents in a Jewish war.
[13:56]
>> And so I think you touched on an
[13:57]
interesting thing which we'll maybe get
[13:58]
to in a minute, citizens versus
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residents. And I think this is the crux
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of
[14:05]
what what happens going forward. And
[14:07]
that's probably where we'll maybe have
[14:08]
some divergence um in terms of
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>> No, we will not agree about 100%.
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>> No way. Can't be. Joseph, you cannot.
[14:16]
>> No, no, sorry. Let me We won't agree
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100% at the beginning of the
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conversation, but by the end, you will
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agree 100% with me.
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>> I love this guy. What can I can't be mad
[14:28]
at him? How can you be mad at the
[14:29]
redhead, too? You know, you can't. Um,
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and so I I think we're in a unique
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position in history to actually make a
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change. And one of the things I was
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going to talk is how much people's
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energies and the energy you receive from
[14:44]
each Muslim nation is different. We
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spend for those that don't know, we
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spend hours, I certainly spend hours
[14:50]
every day speaking to Muslims around the
[14:52]
world. I know the energy of Pakistan. I
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know the energy of Egypt. I'm not
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talking in some like d new age hippie. I
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feel your energy. No, I'm speaking like
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when an Egyptian lands on, I can I can
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give you the traditional Islamic
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greeting. Now, I'm going to beep this in
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the edit, but
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your hands here, where's my shoe? Let me
[15:13]
show you my um it's exactly the same.
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And you want to know the most beautiful
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thing? When you reply to them in their
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language with their traditional
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greeting, they love it. They all burst
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out laughing and you have this moment of
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look, we're the same. I can curse you
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like you curse me. And what's very
[15:29]
interesting is what I'm sensing today is
[15:31]
something I've never sensed before is
[15:33]
the energy I'm feeling from the Arabs in
[15:35]
this land is weird. It's both crushing
[15:40]
defeat
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>> Mhm.
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>> and hope. And what I mean by that is
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>> which kind of hope?
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>> A hope to defeat us.
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>> No, no, no, no. The opposite like um
[15:50]
a hope to a better more peaceful
[15:53]
coexistence.
[15:55]
So what what I experiences I used to
[15:57]
speak there.
[15:58]
>> You mean you mean you you talk about the
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Muslims you speak with in the social
[16:01]
media or
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>> no no on the street. So yesterday I was
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>> very very important to mention you also
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too.
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>> So I I speak to hundreds of you can
[16:10]
target online to connect to a server
[16:13]
which is called Palestine. Now it's just
[16:16]
Jews living under the pal I'm sorry
[16:17]
Muslims living under the Palestinian
[16:18]
authority. Some Christians largely
[16:20]
Muslims. You can connect with them. you
[16:22]
can have a conversation and there I'd
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say it's 50/50. Um, half of them will be
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very very respect. I'd say more. I'd say
[16:29]
it's like maybe 60 to 70% positive
[16:31]
interactions. 30% they try and persuade
[16:34]
you in Hebrew. So I swear back to them
[16:35]
in better Arabic. And but the 60 to 70%
[16:39]
of the conversations are actually very
[16:40]
positive. And I float to them. I say
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I want for your children what I want my
[16:46]
children. I want them to thrive. I want
[16:47]
them to have that. I want your you're
[16:48]
living in what they call Hevron. You're
[16:51]
living in Heon. I want your child to be
[16:53]
able to go to the beach in Yaful. And he
[16:55]
wants that too. And my co is you have an
[16:58]
Israeli you're an Israeli citizen. You
[17:00]
have an Israeli passport. You're not um
[17:02]
a Palestinian. There is no Palestinian.
[17:04]
>> You're not undermining also the state of
[17:06]
Israel.
[17:07]
>> Every single one of them. Well, almost
[17:09]
every single one says, "Yes, please give
[17:11]
me the passport. I want the passport. I
[17:12]
want an end to this." And
[17:14]
>> well, I have something to tell you about
[17:15]
this after you finish. And the same
[17:17]
happens in person. I more than most
[17:19]
people go into Palestinian villages
[17:23]
occasionally the cities. I was in Ablas
[17:25]
last week. Interesting. I went to Telata
[17:27]
which is um the ancient city of
[17:29]
>> and they've erased the you this the most
[17:33]
sophisticated of the Palestinian
[17:35]
Authority archeological sites. They have
[17:38]
a movie. They have brochures. is
[17:41]
relatively well preserved for
[17:43]
Palestinian authority standards. And for
[17:46]
those that don't know, Schm is like the
[17:48]
heart of the northern kingdom of the
[17:50]
Jewish people. And they just erase Jews
[17:53]
and Israelites from the story. It goes
[17:55]
from being Canaan Canaanite um to to
[17:58]
Byzantine to Roman. It's and the
[18:00]
Samaritans are in there as well.
[18:01]
>> They say she repeats so much in my
[18:03]
conversation. So much.
[18:04]
>> Yeah. And it's not, it's shikm, which is
[18:07]
the Egyptian name. It's fascinating.
[18:09]
They literally erase us. But that's not
[18:11]
the point of our
[18:11]
>> You know that now they invented that
[18:13]
pizza is actually Palestinian native
[18:17]
food.
[18:18]
>> By the way, the malf the malf video that
[18:20]
he did with the Arab
[18:22]
>> stuffed cabbage and Scottish bag pipes
[18:24]
are indigenous to Palestinian culture.
[18:27]
But where I was going to go,
[18:28]
>> I'm going into Nablas. I'm speaking to
[18:30]
Arabs. Yesterday I was speaking to a
[18:33]
Jerusalem Arabs or East Jerusalem. I
[18:35]
doubt he's a citizen. He has a shop in
[18:37]
the shook. I know him. And I see this
[18:38]
guy and I see his family. Every time an
[18:41]
older Jew walks past who lives in the
[18:43]
old city, they know him. They greet him
[18:44]
by name. So this is a a family that
[18:47]
wants coexistence. You speak to them,
[18:50]
they want coexistence. And the word they
[18:52]
all use is dignity. They want dignity.
[18:54]
>> And it's very very important element in
[18:56]
the Palestinian Arab identity.
[18:58]
>> Yeah.
[18:59]
>> Much more in our identity, I must say,
[19:01]
regarding the culture, the civilization
[19:03]
that we are coming from.
[19:04]
>> And dignity is everything. And at the
[19:07]
moment, Arabs in Judea and Samaria,
[19:10]
less so in Jerusalem, but to a degree in
[19:12]
Jerusalem have no dignity. Why? Because
[19:15]
they're under and we haven't given them
[19:18]
the the rights. I I think it's a
[19:20]
travesty. First, the the sectioning of
[19:23]
the land into area A, B, and C. That has
[19:25]
happened. It's a mistake. But take area
[19:27]
C. Area C has 150,000 Arabs. There is no
[19:31]
demographic threat from 150,000 Arabs in
[19:34]
no stretch, in no world. just offer them
[19:37]
citizenship
[19:38]
>> or even even residency and pathway.
[19:41]
>> So this is where we're going. This is
[19:43]
yeah
[19:43]
>> even you know it's like I I actually
[19:45]
think that it should be like
[19:47]
>> for for me I I this is where we'll
[19:49]
diverge if someone's lived in the land
[19:51]
300 years 600 years 800 years 100 years
[19:55]
they were born there. I I think there's
[19:57]
a I I think citizenship
[19:59]
>> you actually read now part of the verses
[20:02]
from the book of Ezekiel Ezekiel 57
[20:06]
I think.
[20:07]
>> So you'll have to refresh meic verses
[20:09]
there.
[20:11]
>> It's Ezekiel. Ezekiel let me let me read
[20:12]
it to you. Let me find it. But continue
[20:15]
going on with this because
[20:16]
>> and so while he while he's looking up.
[20:18]
So for me there is no demographic
[20:21]
threat. You have Arabs that live here.
[20:23]
You can you can eradicate any accusation
[20:26]
of apartheid if you put them under
[20:28]
Israeli civil law. If you give them the
[20:30]
same rights of me, if someone's sitting
[20:32]
in a village in area C, let them drive
[20:34]
to the um there's no and so to bring it
[20:38]
back most of the people I speak to want
[20:40]
this. Why I say they're crushed is their
[20:43]
aspiration, their dream of a Palestinian
[20:45]
state is crushed, defeated. They look at
[20:48]
Gaza. They look at the state of the
[20:51]
Muslim world and the strength of the
[20:52]
Israeli state and they realize their
[20:54]
leaders have failed them and it's time
[20:57]
to move on. It's time to just exist
[21:01]
rather than to conquer and
[21:03]
>> but you know this is our problem
[21:05]
actually because we didn't initiate and
[21:07]
offered such a paradigm political
[21:09]
solution to include Palestinians.
[21:11]
>> So I don't even think we need to do an
[21:12]
offer. I think literally like forget the
[21:14]
world hates us to do it. We're accused
[21:17]
of genocide when we've literally lost so
[21:20]
many of our boys trying to preserve
[21:22]
civilian Palestinian civilian life in
[21:24]
Gaza. Gaz and civilian life literally an
[21:27]
enemy population. We've lost people
[21:29]
trying to save them. We've facilitated
[21:31]
the movement of two billion kgs of aid.
[21:33]
We use AI to minimize civilian
[21:35]
casualties and the world flips it and
[21:37]
says we use it to target civilians.
[21:39]
We're in this. So the world's going to
[21:41]
hate us. the world's going. So just
[21:43]
unilaterally move,
[21:45]
>> reestablish, reassert sovereignty over
[21:47]
area C
[21:48]
>> and initiate. We have the
[21:51]
responsibility, we have the power, we
[21:53]
have the blessing, and we have also the
[21:55]
commitment to do. And now I'm going to
[21:57]
read to you in the book of Ezekiel 47.
[22:00]
Check this out. It says,
[22:04]
"And you shall divide this land among
[22:06]
yourselves according to the tribes of
[22:08]
Israel, and that will be what you all
[22:13]
lot as a heritage for yourselves and for
[22:17]
the strangers who dwell in your midst,
[22:20]
who will begget sons in your midst. And
[22:23]
they will be to you as citizens among
[22:26]
the children of Israel. with you. They
[22:29]
will inherit of the inheritance in the
[22:32]
midst of the tribes of Israel, and it
[22:35]
shall be in the tribe with which the
[22:38]
stranger resides. There you shall give
[22:41]
his inheritance, says the Lord God.
[22:44]
>> Is this talking about the Gerv? So
[22:47]
there's two categories. Someone is
[22:49]
>> it's all about Gerto. Actually,
[22:51]
>> speaking about I'm not familiar with the
[22:53]
>> the difference between Ged and Gerto.
[22:56]
Geredic is a non-Jew that converted.
[22:59]
He's now fully Jewish. Gerav is a
[23:03]
non-Jew that resides in the land of
[23:05]
Israel and he accepts the partnership
[23:08]
with the children of Israel and he
[23:11]
absorbed into the political system of
[23:13]
the children of Israel or the kingdom of
[23:15]
Israel basically.
[23:16]
>> So that's that's perfectly.
[23:20]
literally the Tanakh is with us, the
[23:22]
reality with us, the the real politic is
[23:24]
with us and we're just f we've got stuck
[23:29]
in this route where we think somehow the
[23:31]
status quo is acceptable. It's not
[23:34]
acceptable for us and it's certainly not
[23:36]
acceptable for them. And so I think if
[23:38]
you uplift the Arabs who live in C, you
[23:42]
give them the Israeli passport if they
[23:43]
want it, if they want to fight them, off
[23:46]
you go. I I will differ a little bit.
[23:48]
Sorry to cut you again with
[23:50]
>> I would start with something which is
[23:52]
like a prototype political experiment
[23:54]
with a couple of villages
[23:57]
>> because again we don't have trust yet.
[23:58]
We already have that we have as well and
[24:00]
these places on the edge of Jerusalem.
[24:03]
>> But first to start with residency and
[24:05]
pathway to citizenship
[24:07]
maybe even maybe even citizenship in a
[24:10]
certain condition but you know we we can
[24:13]
have a long dialogue or debate about
[24:16]
this issue. But yeah we need to apply
[24:18]
responsibility. We need to act like
[24:21]
sovereigns in our homeland and not to
[24:23]
act like colonizers that do not want to
[24:26]
take control where Allah gave us this
[24:29]
land to have responsibility on
[24:31]
>> and not just don't want to take control
[24:33]
don't want to to to to coexist like
[24:37]
Israel is the reason why an Arab and
[24:39]
area C isn't able to go to we have
[24:42]
obviously there's a conflict they're
[24:44]
attacking us there security measures but
[24:46]
tomorrow we could assert sovereignty we
[24:49]
could say everybody here whether it's a
[24:51]
pathway to citizenship whether it's
[24:52]
citizenship
[24:53]
>> everybody here can thrive you can move
[24:55]
just like an Arab from Umad Fakam which
[24:58]
is not a friendly village a city it's a
[25:00]
very hostile village which is within
[25:01]
Israel they can travel anywhere they can
[25:04]
go to the most right-wing Israeli
[25:06]
settlement in the Shamron and drive
[25:09]
straight in and legally there's nothing
[25:12]
anybody can do about it and they could
[25:15]
be far more hostile than because the
[25:17]
other thing most people don't realize is
[25:19]
one of the biggest employment. This is
[25:21]
this is what blows my mind as well.
[25:23]
>> One of the biggest employer
[25:26]
modes of forms of employment for
[25:28]
Palestinians is Israel. And since
[25:30]
October the 7th, workers dried up. Every
[25:32]
Palestinian I speak to begs me, get me a
[25:35]
permit. I want to work in Israel that
[25:37]
I've had people begging me to take them
[25:38]
into Israel.
[25:39]
>> Tell me about it. You know, when I was
[25:41]
uh working with Palestinian, when I was,
[25:43]
you know, in activism with Palestinians,
[25:46]
this was probably the most major issue
[25:49]
that concerned them, freedom of movement
[25:51]
>> and the ability to go to work or to even
[25:55]
visit the family and friends in, you
[25:57]
know, the other side of the green line.
[26:00]
By the way, there's no such thing as a
[26:02]
green line, but you know, I'm just
[26:03]
saying for the sake of the, you know,
[26:06]
>> and and so what bit the other side of it
[26:09]
is it's not purely material. Post
[26:12]
October the 7th, it is. But if you if
[26:14]
you live here, if you spend time driving
[26:15]
around as you have Judea and Samaria,
[26:18]
you go into the Palestinian cities, you
[26:20]
go into the villages, you realize there
[26:23]
is serious wealth. Not a little bit of
[26:25]
wealth. Like I see more Range Rovers,
[26:28]
Jeep Rubicons, Cayens, Gwag. Definitely
[26:31]
G Wagons.
[26:32]
>> They they like Range Rovers, by the way.
[26:33]
>> They love and each city is different. If
[26:35]
you go to Ramala, they all drive the
[26:36]
Mercedes and BMW. They like the BMW,
[26:39]
particularly the the X5s and like these
[26:41]
are nice. If you know your cars, these
[26:43]
are expensive cars and everywhere. You
[26:45]
look at the villas. I've spent a lot of
[26:48]
time
[26:49]
>> castles. It's castles is an
[26:51]
understatement. castles like literally
[26:55]
most Israelis live in small apartments.
[26:57]
You cross over the the green line which
[26:59]
is say doesn't exist. You cross over the
[27:01]
imaginary green line and you end every
[27:05]
Palestinian village will have at least
[27:06]
one mansion. You know, regarding that, I
[27:08]
want to mention also when I used to be
[27:11]
activist and I went into Palestinian
[27:13]
refugee camps, you know, on the outside
[27:15]
the house is very, you know, it's like a
[27:20]
a rubble on the outside, you know, not
[27:23]
with no like color and but inside
[27:28]
chandeliers, big screen TVs, carpets,
[27:32]
you know, it's like
[27:34]
there also poverty for sure. And I've
[27:36]
witnessed that, you know, the both
[27:39]
sides. But you know what the propaganda
[27:42]
machine of the anti-Zionist Palestinian
[27:45]
machine try to depict is that all
[27:47]
Palestinians have donkeys and all Jews
[27:50]
are, you know, having water and
[27:53]
Palestinians have no water and
[27:55]
Palestinians all live in tents and
[27:57]
whatever. No, it's not the reality at
[28:00]
all. And I'm saying this as a
[28:04]
peace activist that witnessed that in
[28:07]
the reality.
[28:08]
>> And yet the Palestinians before October
[28:11]
the 7th and certainly afterwards receive
[28:14]
more aid per capita than any other
[28:16]
people. And so it's because there's this
[28:20]
misunderstanding of who's living where.
[28:22]
And now just to bring it a little bit
[28:24]
further, there is poverty and that's in
[28:26]
the camps. But the camps are not what
[28:29]
people when you hear refugee camp you
[28:30]
think first it's someone who's fled a
[28:32]
war a refugee and two they're living in
[28:34]
a tent and if you look at al- moasi the
[28:37]
displaced people in Gaza like go on
[28:40]
Google it's not a fun thing to look at
[28:42]
it's just tent after tent after tent
[28:43]
it's grim and if you've been
[28:45]
>> there is suffering we're not we're not
[28:47]
denying the suffering that also exists
[28:48]
>> and
[28:50]
it's actually that the the hardship that
[28:52]
they're living in is proof that there
[28:53]
isn't a genocide as well because if
[28:56]
there was a genocide who's living in
[28:58]
these camps. And so those real camps,
[28:59]
but when you talk about Judea and
[29:01]
Samaria or even Israel, Jerusalem, you
[29:04]
talk about a camp, it's completely
[29:05]
different. So I'd recommend anyone goes
[29:07]
and has a look. Just type shafford camp
[29:10]
into Google and have a look at some I'll
[29:13]
put some on screen, but some of the big
[29:15]
apartment, it just looks like any city.
[29:17]
And the apartments go for hundreds of
[29:19]
thousands of dollars.
[29:21]
And yet, and every single person in
[29:24]
Shuafhat works in Jerusalem and works
[29:26]
with Jews. And here's the twist, and
[29:28]
this is something that we enable.
[29:31]
It's safe for any Arab in Shawat to work
[29:34]
in the Mala mall, in Canyon, the Hadada
[29:38]
mall.
[29:38]
>> Also in my in my building, in my
[29:40]
building, too.
[29:41]
>> So, they'll work they work throughout
[29:43]
Jerusalem. You every time you go to a
[29:46]
hospital, you'll be treated by an Arab
[29:48]
doctor. probably not from Shuafford, but
[29:50]
maybe maybe there'll be some nurses from
[29:52]
Shuaf. And here's the thing. So,
[29:55]
if I wander into Shuaf with this jumper
[30:00]
or this hat, I'm not walking out.
[30:03]
>> I think it's not healthy.
[30:05]
>> Yeah.
[30:05]
>> It's not going to be healthy for you.
[30:07]
>> No. No. I mean, I personally think my
[30:09]
head looks better on my shoulders than
[30:11]
the floor.
[30:11]
>> And it's more healthy to have the head
[30:13]
connected to the shoulders. And so if if
[30:17]
we want to preserve my head on my
[30:18]
shoulders, I can't wonder with the sha
[30:20]
yet they can work anywhere and this is
[30:22]
all the status quo. This is what we
[30:24]
enable. We say this is this is
[30:26]
>> right. But this is another thing that I
[30:27]
must emphasize. We always talk about how
[30:29]
we should take responsibility and to
[30:32]
include Palestinian this way or the
[30:33]
other. But in the Palestinian areas,
[30:36]
Jews cannot walk freely and speak their
[30:40]
mother language. Not to mention whereit
[30:43]
you know when I used to be an activist
[30:45]
and I went to Bethlehem which is 5
[30:47]
kilometers away from my house in
[30:48]
Jerusalem
[30:50]
and
[30:52]
feeling the fear that I cannot say a
[30:55]
word in Hebrew because if I will say a
[30:57]
word in Hebrew even though I don't have
[30:58]
kipa something bad might happen to my
[31:02]
head or other parts of my body. You
[31:05]
know, even Hebrew, even Hebrew on the
[31:08]
signs of the streets,
[31:09]
>> yeah,
[31:10]
>> there's no Hebrew to see in Israel, in
[31:12]
Jerusalem, in Tel Aviv, all the major
[31:14]
cities, you see Arabic as part of the
[31:16]
street signs
[31:17]
>> and you can see Arab Muslims walking
[31:20]
sometimes even with kafia and sometimes
[31:23]
even, you know, with Gabia speaking
[31:25]
Arabic and it's a scene which is pretty
[31:28]
normal, but to have a Jew walking and
[31:32]
speaking Hebrew in a Palestinian Ian
[31:34]
ruled area that can never be as long as
[31:38]
there's Palestinian rule and because we
[31:41]
are not enabling to replace and throw to
[31:44]
the trash the two-state solution and we
[31:47]
actually we ourselves allowed you know
[31:49]
sometimes when I used to be an activist
[31:52]
a lot of my Palestinian colleagues told
[31:54]
me you know the Palestinian authority
[31:58]
it's not about us to take care of them
[32:00]
because you are the ones meaning we
[32:03]
Israel that brought brought them on us.
[32:05]
So therefore, it's your job to remove
[32:07]
them out, to kick them back to Tunisia.
[32:11]
And in a way, they're kind of right.
[32:14]
>> And I would add one other thing as well.
[32:16]
As someone who spends a lot of time with
[32:18]
Arabs and Judah and Samar and Jerusalem
[32:21]
and online, I actually don't think it's
[32:23]
the majority that would detach my head
[32:25]
from my shoulders. But what how those
[32:28]
societies operate is there's Telegram
[32:29]
groups. And if one hostile person senses
[32:33]
that I'm Israeli, I'm Jewish, a message
[32:35]
goes out and then a crowd will come and
[32:38]
lynch me. And if if a lynching happens,
[32:41]
then the mob who would ordinarily be
[32:43]
relatively nice get involved. And
[32:47]
this again, it's because we enable it
[32:49]
to. There's no reason that you shouldn't
[32:51]
be able to go into shafat. It's
[32:52]
Jerusalem. It's Jerusalem. You should be
[32:55]
able to just freely walk through there.
[32:57]
And if there is a risk posed, there
[32:59]
should be Israeli soldiers in there
[33:02]
ensuring that a Jew is as safe in
[33:04]
Shuafat as an Arab is as safe in Talpot.
[33:08]
>> And I must say to the credit of my
[33:10]
Palestinian partners, when I went into
[33:12]
their areas, they always defended me and
[33:14]
protected me and kept me from harm's
[33:16]
way. And also they kind of taught me the
[33:19]
unwritten laws of how to act there in
[33:23]
order to keep me keep myself. I remember
[33:25]
once that I went with the Palestinian
[33:27]
friend to visit another Israeli friend
[33:30]
on the other side of the border and
[33:34]
because he had a working permit, the
[33:36]
Palestinian my Palestinian friend
[33:38]
couldn't pass from that specific
[33:40]
checkpoint and we have to turn around
[33:42]
drive me and him and went through inside
[33:45]
Bethlehem from the official checkpoint
[33:47]
and he had to go by foot.
[33:50]
>> And this is something that I will never
[33:51]
forget. While we were in Bethlehem, I
[33:54]
remember that we were in the traffic jam
[33:57]
and there were stone throwing in the
[33:59]
night, stonethrowing of Palestinians
[34:03]
against not the IDF, against the
[34:06]
Palestinian Authority.
[34:07]
>> And we were, you know, I'm standing
[34:09]
there in the road in the traffic jam in
[34:12]
front of me a lot of Palestinian cars,
[34:15]
stones flying above us. And I remember
[34:18]
the look on the eyes of the people
[34:20]
there. They're like, "We are tired of
[34:23]
this We are tired of this
[34:25]
but we got used to it." That's kind of
[34:27]
what I read from their eyes. And my
[34:29]
Palestinian friend went out of the car,
[34:32]
started to move the traffic, you know,
[34:33]
and all of that. Then came back to the
[34:36]
car. We drove and we eventually made it
[34:38]
to my friend. But you know there's so
[34:40]
many layers of reality here. Good, bad,
[34:43]
dirty. And eventually there are good
[34:47]
normal people, not perfect people to pay
[34:50]
the price also with the evil ones. And
[34:54]
this is something that
[34:57]
get me really sad to be honest.
[34:59]
Especially when you know people
[35:01]
personally from the other side, people
[35:03]
that really hosted me. I sat with them
[35:07]
for makub and mansaf and coffee and to
[35:11]
understand the Palestinian story from
[35:12]
their point of view, you know, with no
[35:15]
filters. But they also listen to the
[35:18]
Jewish story from my words with no
[35:21]
filters. That's something that I really
[35:24]
appreciate while I was an activist to
[35:28]
have the ability actually not to come
[35:31]
from a place of official or even part of
[35:35]
a peace organization with a certain
[35:37]
lefty agenda, but to straight up tell
[35:40]
the Jewish Israeli Zionist story that
[35:43]
can also include the Palestinians in it.
[35:46]
I think you actually accidentally
[35:48]
stumbled across another example of
[35:49]
Palestinian defeat and that is the stone
[35:54]
throwing before October the 7th. You
[35:57]
could not drive a road in Judea and
[35:59]
Samaria without risk of being having
[36:02]
rocks thrown at the car. And these
[36:05]
aren't little rocks. These aren't
[36:06]
pebbles. These are you will see hundreds
[36:09]
of huge boulders being hurled down on
[36:11]
traffic from elevated positions. Now,
[36:13]
one little pebble thrown at a car from a
[36:16]
height can cause a driver to crash um
[36:18]
veer off the road to crash and die.
[36:20]
Hundreds of huge boulders hurled can
[36:23]
literally can kill somebody like that.
[36:25]
And that's
[36:27]
>> and this there there is still rock
[36:29]
throwing, there's still stone throwing,
[36:31]
but compared to what it was, it's not
[36:33]
there. And it's because there's genuine
[36:36]
fear and genuine
[36:39]
defeat. the the the belie support for
[36:43]
the two-state solution has never been
[36:45]
stronger among Palestinians. And that
[36:47]
may sound like it's coming from a place
[36:49]
of peace.
[36:49]
>> Do they support the still the two-state
[36:51]
solution now?
[36:51]
>> So they they do, but it's not because
[36:53]
they want Israel in Palestine. It's
[36:55]
because they realize just Palestine that
[36:58]
that boat has sailed. That ship has
[37:00]
sailed. There is no reality where there
[37:03]
is going to be from the river to the sea
[37:05]
a state called Palestine. The Israelis
[37:07]
are too strong. And so now they've
[37:10]
fallen back. Okay, well maybe we can
[37:11]
have Palestine and they can have Israel.
[37:13]
Whereas before it was the entirety of
[37:15]
the land of ours. So it's not coming
[37:17]
from a place of coexistence and peace.
[37:20]
It's coming from a place of desperation.
[37:22]
>> And I think it's also come from a place
[37:24]
of stages in order to weaken Israel to
[37:26]
gain what they can gain in order to you
[37:29]
know put facts on the ground that will
[37:31]
weaken Israel and eventually to defeat
[37:34]
Israel and take the whole thing. So I I
[37:36]
agree most you here's a challenge to
[37:39]
anyone in the audience and I would love
[37:41]
for somebody to to disprove me on this
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but you will because I I use the sound
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bite all the time. You will never find a
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Palestinian organization
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in the land or outside of this region
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that depicts Palestine as Gaza in the
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West Bank.
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By the way, by the way, Joseph, this is
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actually I believe something that we
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should learn from them about ourselves
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because you know I really could
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appreciate as an activist you know
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someone is a secular Jew coming from the
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Tel Avivian bubble that for me Israel
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was you know not the river to the sea
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but until the green imaginary land and
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the rest is Palestine. I've never, like
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you said, I never met a Palestinian that
[38:22]
saw Palestine, only is the West Bank and
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Gaza. Never. And you know what? I
[38:28]
appreciated that. That kind of gave me
[38:30]
like, you know, this notion that maybe
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the Palestinians are more Jewish than
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the Jews supposed to be.
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>> You know, we supposed to look at the the
[38:38]
entire land as our homeland. So, yeah,
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we have a lot to I believe we have a lot
[38:43]
to learn from our enemies. That's also
[38:45]
part of the secondary title of my book,
[38:47]
my upcoming book in English, which is
[38:50]
already out in Hebrew. Here, O Ishmael
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is the secondary title, how we going to
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learn from our enemies about who we
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truly are.
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>> So, I have a question. Is it
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Allah or Hashem?
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>> You know, some people will say that
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Allah is not Hashem. I think it's the
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same. like I'm very very um like a
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follower of the interpretation of the
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Rambam regarding that. Uh yeah.
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>> So I think where I sit with that is if
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you're saying you're praying to the God
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of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You can be
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following a false prophet. You can be
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creating some misconceptions,
[39:31]
projections about other family members,
[39:35]
um making partners with God.
[39:38]
Um, however, if you're explicitly
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stating that this is the God of Abraham,
[39:44]
Isaac, and Jacob, even if you've got
[39:46]
lost, even if there's a misconception,
[39:48]
even if you're following a false
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prophet, you're trying to pray to the
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same God as me. And it is this that and
[39:53]
so I I know all the arguments of moon,
[39:56]
but you also you look to the Talmud,
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you'll find the word. You look to the
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Bible, you'll find the word. Um, so I
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believe the Muslims are monotheist. I
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believe even the Christians are
[40:07]
montheists just very confused. Um the
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when they talk about the father we say
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I've been a volcano
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>> but when we talk about the son we're
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talking about the children of Israel
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we're talking about humanity. We're not
[40:21]
talking about um a divine son. And so we
[40:25]
we may diverge but I try to view these
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people as positively as I can. Um, and
[40:31]
if you're declaring that you're praying
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to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
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I'll join the the Aits, I'll join the
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Rambam Defending.
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>> Look, my my rabbi, Rabbi Urki,
[40:41]
gave me actually the solution regarding
[40:43]
how I view Islam, the Quran, and even
[40:46]
Muhammad. And like they used to be, you
[40:50]
know, we are not allowed to receive on
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ourselves prophets who are not from
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among the children of Israel. That's
[40:57]
specifically in the book of Deuteronomy.
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Now, however, there used to be
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other cases of prophets who are not from
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among the children of Israel that were
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sent to other nations. For example,
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>> Bam and Aub, Job
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>> and even Jethro and Alifaz. So we have
[41:21]
precedented that and this is you may not
[41:25]
agree with me probably that it's not
[41:28]
impossible that Muhammad was also a
[41:31]
messenger or prophet that was sent to
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them to redeem them from the Jahilia
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>> and
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I I would align more with the Rambam and
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he absolutely did relieve them from the
[41:44]
age of ignorance but it didn't mean he
[41:47]
was a prophet so the Rambam views Islam
[41:50]
Christianity is part of the divine
[41:53]
plan to bring all of the nations to the
[41:56]
recognition of one God, one creator, the
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God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And
[42:00]
that's why I say I don't I don't see
[42:01]
Muhammad as a prophet. I read the Quran,
[42:04]
there's some good, there's some bad.
[42:05]
>> I read the Sunnah, there's a little bit
[42:07]
of good, a lot of bad. And so,
[42:10]
>> oh man.
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>> And so I I don't see this as a prophet.
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And I'm more than happy to say that to a
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Muslim because in Islam you have a
[42:18]
concept
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To you your way, to me mine. To you your
[42:23]
religion, to me my religion. And if the
[42:26]
Muslim can say that to the Yehoodi, the
[42:28]
Yehoodi can say that to the Muslim. And
[42:30]
I think there's a very and there's no
[42:32]
contradiction between that and what
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Judaism teaches the nations are supposed
[42:38]
to follow. Judaism does teach that there
[42:40]
is a moral obligation on non-Jews. There
[42:44]
is a a legal framework, a moral
[42:46]
framework they should follow. They
[42:48]
shouldn't murder. They shouldn't worship
[42:50]
false gods. They shouldn't if they see a
[42:52]
cute little um kitten walking along the
[42:54]
street, they shouldn't grab its leg and
[42:56]
eat it. That's that's actually a sin
[42:58]
according to Judaism for a nonjud.
[43:00]
>> It's also not really tasty to be honest.
[43:02]
>> I haven't tried it because I'm a moral
[43:04]
guy.
[43:04]
>> I tried to just say
[43:07]
>> and so Islam actually aderes to these
[43:10]
seven moral principles. For instance,
[43:12]
one of them is establishing court. Why
[43:14]
establish a court? Because without a
[43:16]
legal system any nation, any society
[43:18]
will descend into anarchy into chaos.
[43:22]
And so Islam, the Sharia court, ah the
[43:25]
Sharia court actually is in accordance
[43:27]
with what Judaism said a moral nation
[43:30]
should have because Sharia means law and
[43:33]
court means court. A nation should have
[43:34]
courts of law. It's just that
[43:37]
>> but but can you realize that there's so
[43:39]
much to unpack here, you know, and now
[43:40]
we we want to wrap it up, but you know,
[43:42]
there's so much to unpack here. you
[43:44]
know, the Israeli Palestinian conflict,
[43:46]
it's not only it's to be honest, it's
[43:49]
less part of it is about land. Mostly
[43:52]
it's about theology and ideology, but I
[43:55]
suggest that we wrap it up and maybe the
[43:57]
next time we're going to do a podcast,
[43:59]
maybe in my place, you're more than
[44:01]
welcome.
[44:02]
>> Let us know in the comments, by the way,
[44:03]
what you would like to see us agree or
[44:05]
disagree on. What we meet next, let us
[44:07]
know below what we should talk about.
[44:09]
>> Yeah. And uh to wrap it up, I would like
[44:12]
to first to thank you very much for
[44:15]
hosting me, but more than that for doing
[44:17]
what you do for Amis because you
[44:19]
strengthen so many people. So many
[44:21]
people. So I want to make you blush and
[44:24]
he's blushing now a little bit. That's
[44:26]
good. And I also want to thank a lot of
[44:29]
soldiers that do the job like us in the
[44:32]
eight front in social media representing
[44:35]
Israel. K the traveling clut sah TV
[44:39]
kalia
[44:41]
who else you have Isabella Kazanig
[44:46]
coin
[44:49]
so many people to really like because
[44:53]
really a lot of people and I know now as
[44:57]
being in the social media this is a hard
[45:00]
work this is a hard work and a lot of
[45:03]
people see what we do our content and be
[45:07]
they are getting stronger and it's
[45:10]
actually a privilege and also a
[45:12]
responsibility to do if I miss anyone's
[45:15]
names
[45:17]
slap me after that seline also and
[45:22]
who did I forget did I forget someone
[45:24]
>> you've definitely forgot a lot of people
[45:26]
>> Mia Miaalas
[45:28]
Jewish Jewish jazz
[45:29]
>> you also forgot Jewish Jewish now who's
[45:32]
Jewish one of the unsung hero actually
[45:34]
it's not unsung he's about the heroes of
[45:37]
Israel. Guys, if you haven't if you
[45:39]
haven't come across Jewish Daer, um I
[45:41]
would never say this to his face, but he
[45:43]
is one of the biggest inspirations
[45:45]
behind what I do. He's
[45:48]
he's a powerhouse. He's a good-looking
[45:49]
guy as well.
[45:51]
>> Very handsome.
[45:52]
>> Um
[45:53]
>> and he smell and he smell good too.
[45:56]
>> A comment.
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No, what I would like to say I actually
[46:02]
there's also a whole new generation of
[46:05]
activists because you called out
[46:06]
everyone who's big and I love these
[46:08]
guys. I get inspired by these guys. When
[46:10]
they share my videos, they get four
[46:12]
times the views that I can ever do. So,
[46:14]
thank you guys.
[46:16]
And but there's also a whole new wave of
[46:19]
not yet influencers, but they're on the
[46:22]
front line. They're on Mingos, your AI,
[46:24]
your Angry Zionist, Puerto Rican Jew,
[46:26]
Mansour. There's a whole you don't
[46:29]
realize when we we use a website called
[46:31]
youingle you guys should all go on there
[46:33]
and advocate create content change
[46:36]
people's hearts and minds win people
[46:38]
hearts and mind for Israel on this one
[46:39]
appingle and there's a whole wave of
[46:42]
next generation activists coming through
[46:45]
I want to pick those guys up as well
[46:46]
>> but this is the OG right here
[46:49]
>> old operative word
[46:52]
we're similar just I must say you know
[46:54]
in the beginning even before my activism
[46:56]
I saw actually a lot of your videos from
[46:59]
the time that you were in the UK and
[47:01]
speaker corner and I learned also a lot
[47:03]
from you
[47:04]
>> and so look how old he is and then
[47:06]
imagine how old I am if you were
[47:09]
>> we will not say we will not say
[47:14]
>> no it's it's been a pleasure and yeah
[47:25]
we going to continue want to cook. I
[47:28]
mean, as I always say to some people,
[47:32]
cooking forward to see you.
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