Transcript [00:00] on Levy. Elon, always great to have you [00:02] on. Thank you for joining us. As I did [00:04] say, dramatic 24 hours in the skies. We [00:07] still establishing what's actually [00:09] happened, but Israel is calling this an [00:12] attempted terror attack, but Fly Dubai [00:15] actually says the motive is still [00:17] unknown. What evidence, Elon, does [00:20] Netanyahu have that is not available to [00:23] the airline or to investigators? [00:27] >> This is a huge relief. This is a could [00:30] have very easily ended differently with [00:32] the co-pilot either crashing the plane [00:34] into the desert into a building or maybe [00:37] even scarier in a hostile third country [00:40] maybe Yemen or Iran. The fact that those [00:42] passengers have arrived safely at home [00:44] thanks to the heroism of the passengers [00:46] who fought the hijacker pilot is a huge [00:50] relief. Um, we're going to have to see [00:52] what happens from the Saudi [00:54] investigation of the co-pilot, whether [00:57] he had some psychotic fit, whether there [00:59] was a jihadi motive, which is what [01:02] Israel believes. U, but this was very [01:04] clearly an attempt to murder the second [01:07] pilot, and to seize control of the [01:09] plane. Again, whether that was as a [01:12] result of a severe mental illness or a [01:15] political um jihadi motive, we're still [01:18] going to have to see from the [01:19] interrogation of the pilot. But so far, [01:22] that is how Israel is treating this [01:24] event. And we'll obviously be hoping [01:25] that the Saudi and Emirati authorities [01:27] will be fully transparent about this [01:30] event so we can protect future flights [01:32] and really the future of the entire [01:34] global aviation industry as well. And [01:36] the guest that we had on first today, [01:38] Danny, was just speaking to us about how [01:40] important relations are between the [01:43] countries and also the fact that Fly [01:45] Dubai, the UAE carrier, kept flights [01:48] open to Israel this whole time when many [01:50] carriers didn't. So, everyone will be [01:52] looking into it as best they can in [01:55] order to keep those relations very good [01:58] at a time where the region is of course [02:01] sensitive. But Elon, is there a danger [02:03] that Israel is reaching a conclusion [02:05] about a motive before investigators have [02:08] established the facts? And could this be [02:12] a political play by Netanyahu possibly [02:15] to garner sympathy ahead of the election [02:17] or do you think people are reading that [02:19] wrong? Look, obviously crazy things can [02:22] happen and it's always possible there [02:23] will be some out ofthe-box explanation [02:26] that no one could have seen coming, but [02:28] the obvious explanation when a plane [02:30] full of Israelis is hijacked by someone [02:32] who tries to murder the pilot and then [02:34] crash the plane in the desert is that [02:36] this was indeed terrorism. I mean, I [02:38] think we can rule out most other [02:40] possible motives. Um, but there will [02:42] need to be serious questions answered [02:44] about what the pilot's motives were. Was [02:47] he operating on behalf of anyone? Was he [02:50] operating completely spontaneously? Did [02:53] anyone have a hand behind this? And how [02:56] on a global level do we address the [02:58] choke point that whatever airport [03:01] security measures you put in place, if a [03:04] pilot like the pilot who crashed the [03:06] Malaysia Airlines plane a few years ago [03:09] decides that he's taking the plane down [03:11] with him, there's very little that can [03:13] be done. And in this case, a disaster [03:14] was averted only thanks to the heroism [03:17] of the passengers who managed to break [03:18] into the into the cockpit and the fact [03:20] that there were other pilots on board [03:22] who could land it safely. So I expect [03:24] right now the Israeli intelligence [03:26] services, they will of course been in [03:28] touch with the Saudis to coordinate [03:30] because there were about 180 Israelis on [03:33] Saudi soil before they could be rescued [03:36] and brought home. will want to be fully [03:38] in the loop on the investigation and [03:40] help connect the pieces of the puzzle [03:42] and find out who else was involved in [03:44] this uh if indeed this was as Israel [03:47] believes an attempted jihadist terror [03:49] attack. [03:50] >> Elon, I just also want to make it clear [03:52] that Saudi Arabia's to book airport says [03:54] it received a distress call from a fly [03:56] Dubai flight and immediately declared a [03:59] state of emergency. The flight made an [04:02] emergency landing inside Saudi Arabia. [04:05] The pilot and co-pilot were hospitalized [04:07] after sustaining injuries. The airport [04:10] says it's coordinating with Fly Dubai to [04:12] secure a replacement aircraft. We also [04:16] know that the people on board, [04:18] >> they don't they don't need a replacement [04:19] aircraft anymore because the the [04:20] passengers are safely back home. But [04:22] yes, [04:22] >> yeah, they're actually back. Yeah. But [04:23] what I'm trying to say is Saudi [04:25] authorities did everything that they [04:26] possibly could and they're the ones who [04:28] arrested the co-pilot and also treated [04:30] those on the plane. Just to make that [04:33] clear, we can see the footage of that [04:35] right now. And as we know, everyone is [04:38] back in Tel Aviv safe. But um we can see [04:41] the footage right now of nurses [04:43] administer administering help to the [04:45] people on board that flight. Clearly [04:47] extremely distressing. But Israeli [04:50] officials say passengers prevented what [04:52] Netanyahu has described as a major [04:54] disaster. How shaken, Elon, are you and [04:58] Israelis by this incident, particularly [05:02] because the passengers themselves, as [05:04] you did also say this to me, were [05:06] reportedly forced to intervene. We don't [05:09] actually know the facts, but from the [05:12] news were getting through. I mean, [05:13] that's quite a dramatic moment on board [05:15] a plane. I know personally I would be [05:18] petrified. [05:19] >> Yeah. By the way, this footage of the [05:21] Saudi nurses treating the Israeli [05:23] patients at the airport has been running [05:24] all day on Israeli televisions and [05:26] Israelis are very moved and relieved to [05:29] see that despite hostility at a [05:31] political and diplomatic level in the [05:32] region, those passengers were treated [05:35] well by all accounts on the ground and [05:37] there is gratitude for that. Obviously, [05:40] any hijacking of a plane is a terrifying [05:43] incident. We all want to believe when we [05:45] get on a plane that we are in the safe [05:48] hands of the pilots. And the idea that [05:50] on any plane in the world, a pilot who [05:52] has a psychotic fit, is a secret [05:55] jihadist, whatever the motive is, can [05:58] try to murder his co-pilot, take control [06:00] of the plane, is a terrifying [06:02] experience. And in this case, there is [06:04] no rule book on what passengers are [06:06] meant to do when a plane is hijacked. [06:08] Many people will remember the story of [06:10] United Flight 11, one of the four planes [06:13] on 911 where it was actually an Israeli [06:16] American, Danny Leuen, who tried to [06:18] intervene and um stop the hijackers. He [06:21] was the first victim of 911 because he [06:24] tried to stop the hijackers. In this [06:26] case, they simply had to improvise, [06:28] overpower the co-pilot, drag him out of [06:31] the cockpit, allow the other pilots on [06:33] board to intervene. But we saw how that [06:36] plane dropped precipitously. the pilot [06:38] was apparently trying to crash it. And [06:41] the fact that this uh incident ended [06:43] without serious injuries on the part of [06:46] the passengers or even the plane [06:47] breaking up midair or crashing into the [06:49] desert because they got there just in [06:51] the nick of time by by really sheer [06:53] courage and resourcefulness is um let's [06:56] just say not something that every [06:57] airline is going to incorporate into its [06:59] uh uh safety proceedings. This was [07:01] really an extraordinary act of courage [07:03] by people in uh really the most [07:06] terrifying circumstances. [07:07] >> And Elon, you know, when I just have a [07:10] look at what we are talking about right [07:12] now and the extraordinary courage, you [07:16] know, that we've seen from people, it's [07:18] always that courage, isn't it, that [07:20] brings light to these really distressing [07:22] stories that actually happen. Netanyahu [07:26] has now ordered security to be ramped up [07:29] on both Israeli and foreign airlines. [07:32] And I was just thinking earlier before [07:34] you, I speaking to Terry, who's a pilot [07:36] and also an aviation expert. And he was [07:39] saying to me, Elon, it's just extremely [07:41] difficult to do multiple tests on [07:44] people, psychological tests. You know, [07:46] they spend a lot of time inside [07:48] simulators. It's a tricky position when [07:51] it comes to aviation. Um, sometimes I [07:55] just wonder if what the next steps could [07:58] be possibly. Do you think that Israelis [08:00] will now be scared to fly? Do you think [08:02] they will stay resolute and continue to [08:06] travel? Or do you think this is a case [08:08] of now trying to end the US Iran war, [08:12] get a diplomatic offramp and cool things [08:14] down in the region possibly? [08:17] >> Yeah, within Israel, there will [08:18] definitely be concern about boarding [08:20] foreign airlines. Israelis will feel [08:22] much safer putting their lives in the [08:24] hands of the Israeli pilots on LL planes [08:28] because they don't know who's flying the [08:30] other airlines. But the question is much [08:32] broader than Israel. The question is a [08:34] global question like the Malaysia [08:36] Airlines flight that was crashed into [08:37] the sea. What do you do at the critical [08:40] choke point of pilots who decide that [08:42] they are the ones who are going to down [08:44] a plane? After every international [08:47] hijacking crisis or airline crisis, we [08:49] learn the lessons from the last crisis. [08:51] Um after 911, for example, we saw how um [08:54] airport security was stepped up around [08:57] the world. People can't go to the gates [08:59] anymore after the attempted shoe bomber. [09:01] That was when uh they reduced the amount [09:03] of liquids that you can take on a plane. [09:06] And I imagine that airline companies [09:08] around the world are going to ask, "What [09:10] background checks do we have to [09:12] intensify on our pilots? Do we need to [09:16] be um holding regular evaluations of [09:18] their psychological state? Do we need to [09:21] perhaps monitor their communications uh [09:24] in terms of what bodies, organizations [09:26] they may uh be speaking to? Is anyone [09:30] trying to blackmail or extort these [09:32] pilots to get them to do something to [09:34] address this problem of pilots who [09:36] decide to take uh this into their own [09:38] hands? because the airline industry does [09:40] not have good answers for what happens [09:42] if the pilot is the one who decides to [09:45] down the plane. In this case, it's a [09:46] real miracle that really, as we said, [09:48] through the sheer heroism of the [09:49] passengers, they stopped him from um [09:52] from carrying on with his plan. But that [09:55] is a critical choke point and the global [09:57] airline industry is going to have to ask [09:58] how do we fix that? Not just on planes [10:01] carrying Israelis, planes carrying [10:03] anyone around the world. [10:05] >> Yes, indeed. And I just want to say once [10:08] again that Fly Dubai has said an [10:10] altercation took place inside the [10:11] cockpit of the Tel Aviv bound aircraft, [10:15] but it says the motive behind the [10:17] incident remains unknown. But of course, [10:20] we've heard um from you what Israel [10:23] believes is the motive currently. Elon [10:25] Levy, as always, thank you so much. [10:28] >> Thank you.