Transcript [00:00] The baby that will be born tomorrow in [00:02] Gaza, the Arab baby, notice that [music] [00:04] I'm not saying kamas. I'm not saying [00:06] Palestinian. The enemy is Gaza, not [00:08] Kamas. The baby that will be born in [00:10] [music] Gaza tomorrow will do exactly [00:13] the same to your bird baby will be born [00:16] tomorrow in Jerusalem. There's no other [00:17] way. That's the reason they live for [00:20] >> and you don't think maybe this is what [00:22] gives them a reason to live. Okay. [00:24] >> There's no way to change. [music] [00:25] >> There's no way to change. You're not [00:26] what they learn there. [00:27] >> You're not going to change them. you're [00:29] not going to educate them. They have the [00:30] reason to leave. They saying [music] it [00:32] openly and they explain themselves very [00:35] very clear at the 7th of October. I [00:37] don't want to see dead babies in Gaza. [00:39] [music] I want to see Gaza empty. But I [00:41] am not afraid when they hiding behind [00:44] their own babies and this is what they [00:45] do. The mothers where they saying openly [00:47] that [music] they want the kids to be [00:49] killed together with the Jews. This is [00:50] what Islam is all about. [00:56] Mosha Figlin, it's [music] great to be [00:58] with you here today. [00:59] >> Thank you for inviting me. [01:00] >> Of course. Um you're second on the list [01:04] of the religious scientist party led by [01:06] uh Smodri um head of your own party [01:08] Zahoot. It's a technical block you said [01:11] when you uh you know announced your [01:14] joint run together. So I wanted to hear [01:16] a little bit about the party itself, [01:18] your party, what makes it different from [01:20] Smotric and maybe why you chose to run [01:22] together after. [01:24] >> Well um the [clears throat] religious [01:26] Zionist party is uh is sectoral party. I [01:29] don't think uh no one will deny that [01:33] Modric and his members did had a [01:37] tremendous achievement which I [01:38] appreciate very much mostly inv [01:42] in the settlements [01:45] >> in [snorts] the West Bank. [01:46] >> Also he held the economy not bad at all [01:49] and the truth of the matter is he should [01:50] deserve many more mandates than being on [01:54] at the fear of the threshold just few [01:57] weeks ago. But I assume because it's so [02:00] sectoral, people did not cannot identify [02:03] themselves with that party. So that's [02:04] his part. While Zahoot is exactly the [02:07] opposite. The the the Zahoot belongs to [02:10] everybody. There's room for everybody in [02:12] Zahood. You can find in Zahoot secular [02:14] not secular uh religion. I mean I mean [02:19] uh [02:21] you can you can find in in in our [02:24] uh conventions [02:26] [snorts] you can find a guy sitting next [02:30] to a total secular girl you know uh with [02:36] no sleeves and so on. Yeah. Or even [02:38] tattoos and everything. And they both [02:40] wearing the the temple pin sikata mcdash [02:44] which which you see on my [02:46] >> Oh, we're wearing it today. [02:47] >> Okay. So, we are not there anymore. All [02:50] these divisions that we used to kill [02:53] ourselves on, you know, do not exist in [02:56] Zahoot. I I I once called the the Zahoot [03:01] party a political betabad. [03:04] >> Okay, there's room for everybody. [03:05] Everybody knows when you go to Betabad, [03:08] everybody knows where you are. There is [03:11] very obvious [03:13] zahoot frame when you're in betabad. You [03:17] know in which house you are, [03:19] >> right? [03:19] >> Like the Jewish state. Okay. [03:22] But you can be yourself. [03:25] >> Mhm. In that frame, [03:28] Zahoot took this concept to the national [03:31] level and to the political level [03:35] >> and there's a tre tremendous message [03:37] here to the Israeli society [03:42] of this combination of a very strong [03:46] national identity identity on one hand [03:49] and very strong individual liberty on [03:52] the other hand working not as a [03:56] [clears throat] compromise [03:58] but but as as as one thing. It's two [04:02] sides of the same coin of Judaism. [04:05] >> Freedom [04:07] is the core message of Judaism, [04:10] >> right? [04:11] >> Okay. [snorts] And and people realize [04:14] that they have a rule. I'll tell I'll [04:16] give you an example on Mozabat. Last [04:19] mobat [04:21] I was I was out out and and a lady stops [04:24] me. They stop me all the time, but [04:26] something like that I don't hear so [04:28] much. She said to me, "I'm totally left. [04:33] There's nothing more left than me." She [04:35] said, "And I'm voting for you." This is [04:37] something that I don't hear every day. [04:39] >> Wow. [04:39] >> Because I'm not leftist. [04:41] >> No, I uh I'm not leftist. We talking [04:44] about from the beginning of that [04:45] horrible war from from the 7th of [04:47] October we think we're talking about [04:49] kibush girush that is the only solution [04:53] occupation [04:54] I mean take over the land the Gaza strip [04:57] totally [04:58] >> uh uh send all the the Gaza horrible you [05:01] have to erase this horrible Islam [05:03] [snorts] [05:04] Nazi entity that we we by own with our [05:08] 10 fingers in Oslo and the disengagement [05:11] created by ourselves. [05:13] and reset and and rebuild Gushkif and re [05:16] and and and and flourish the land with [05:18] Jewish villages. This this is so we [05:20] definitely not and we're going to get [05:21] more into that soon [05:22] >> and still she and she knows that. [05:25] >> Yeah. [05:25] >> And she tells me but I'm voting for you. [05:28] >> So I'm asking I told her you have to [05:30] explain to me why what because I have to [05:33] understand where you how [snorts] how [05:35] did you come to this conclusion? She [05:37] says because you have room for me. I'm [05:39] not you're not against me. for 3 years [05:42] since the since this Holocaust day that [05:46] we had the 7th of October. Okay. [05:51] Instead of joining forces together the [05:53] Israeli society [05:55] in order to to understand together what [05:58] happened to go to understand something [06:00] went wrong take responsibility all of us [06:04] together analyze what happened and fix [06:07] it so it won't happen again to our [06:09] children and to to to the generations to [06:11] come. God forbid. Instead of solving the [06:14] problem, we used the problem as a weapon [06:18] against the other side, another [06:20] political side. This is all we did in [06:21] the last three years. [06:22] >> Yeah, [06:23] >> this is horrible. [06:24] >> Horrible. [06:26] >> I'm talking in all the channels, 14 and [06:28] 13, left and right. [06:31] >> And I'm saying [06:33] both sides share the responsibility over [06:38] here. So were you worried to to run with [06:40] Smotri then because you know he has been [06:42] part of this past government. Critics [06:44] can say that he's been divisive or you [06:47] know just has a very strong right-wing [06:49] wing stance like we said. So were you [06:51] worried about that [06:52] >> more than that? You saying that Eisen [06:55] Court and Netanyahu represent both sides [06:57] of the same problem. How can you say [06:58] that you're going to go with Netanyahu [07:00] which I do? [07:01] >> Right. [07:02] >> I'm going to recommend [07:02] >> There you go. Oh, that's [07:03] >> I'm going to recommend to the to the [07:05] president on Netanyahu, which I at the [07:07] same time say that he should have put [07:09] this the his the key at the 8th of of [07:11] October [07:13] should have put the keys not because [07:15] he's not because I'm blaming but he's [07:18] you know Truman had a sign on his desk [07:21] saying the buck stops here. [07:23] >> Right. Right. [07:24] >> The responsibility. So you had you you [07:26] are the prime minister for almost 30 [07:29] years since 1996 [07:32] with few stops but most most of these [07:34] years you were you were you were here [07:36] you didn't come just day before and this [07:38] disaster came in your time obviously [07:40] something in your strategy was wrong [07:43] >> yes [07:43] >> if it led to that okay so of course he [07:47] he he should have got so how can I at [07:49] the same time say that I'm going to uh [07:52] recommend Netanyahu [07:53] >> you know I mean I know that a lot the [07:54] leak campaign is that Eisenhot is [07:56] leftwing. But Eisenhot goes by a [07:58] centrist, more centrist center right [08:01] stance. So why not Eisenhot as well? [08:03] >> Well, Eisenot, I mean I know [08:06] [clears throat] [08:06] Eisenot, I know him very well. I was the [08:10] a member of the security uh uh and [08:14] foreign affair in Aesset in 2014 when [08:18] the Kamas attacked Israel with rockets. [08:20] I met him there and I can tell you that [08:22] he's totally leftist. He's totally [08:25] progressive. I mean the left can put [08:27] covers and call himself in different [08:29] names and that's what they do since the [08:31] time since the beginning of the 20th [08:34] century. They they they know how to do [08:35] that. Um if if if the word left do not [08:40] appeal anymore after Oslo and what it [08:42] all bron us definitely not after the 7th [08:45] of October. So they'll say no we're not [08:47] left we're right. [08:48] Look, this is the left. The Eisenkot is [08:52] the continuation of Rabbin Paris [08:54] government and Oslo and all these [08:57] concepts represented very well. [08:59] >> Even though he's promised not to, you [09:01] know, sit with the Arab parties and he's [09:03] set against that stuff. You still don't [09:05] believe [09:05] >> that that that does not mean much [09:07] because Anta would also sit with with [09:09] the Arabs. Let's be honest. It's not [09:12] it's not sitting there. The difference [09:14] between left and right in Israel is not [09:16] about policies because the left brought [09:19] Oslo and the right continued Oslo. So [09:21] they both share the the if you're [09:23] telling [clears throat] a leftist today, [09:26] look what you did 30 years ago. You [09:28] brought a bunch of terrorists from [09:30] Tunisia in in in the OSLA process in the [09:33] OSLA agreements to Gaza and you put them [09:35] in front of the kindergarten of of the B [09:39] kibbut and uh now they killed us. So, so [09:43] it is you to blame. Of course, it's your [09:45] responsibility. So, what do the leftist [09:47] answer you the right-winger who says [09:50] saying that uh they say uh uh okay but [09:53] you're 30 years in in in in power. Why [09:56] did you why didn't you uh throw the [09:59] these these policies this OSLA process [10:02] to the garbage of history and and [10:04] brought something else to the table? You [10:06] continue it after 30 years. You cannot [10:08] blame me. You were in power power for [10:10] what do what did you offer instead [10:12] >> and the answer is that the leftist right [10:15] both sides are right. [10:17] >> Mhm. [10:17] >> So after 30 years that you in power you [10:19] cannot left you cannot blame the leftist [10:22] anymore. On the other hand, the leftist [10:24] cannot cannot say that our hands are [10:26] clean. They brought the terrorists from [10:28] Tunisia here. Okay. So, so we have here [10:33] like two doctors [10:35] that's coming to you 30 years ago. [10:39] One with a shot that will say that it'll [10:41] it'll cure you cure your I don't know [10:43] whatever problem you had, your headache [10:45] or whatever you had. [10:47] and he comes with this shot and he gives [10:49] you this shot and he paralyzed half of [10:52] your body, god forbid. Okay, for good. [10:55] >> So now you paralyze the other one did [10:59] not offer anything. [11:01] And now you still have these two [11:03] doctors. [11:05] One doctor named Eisenot, the other [11:08] doctor named Netanyahu. Okay. [11:10] >> The the the for just for for for the [11:13] example the left that represents very [11:15] well by Azenote and don't tell me they [11:17] are not leftist. This is who they are. [11:19] Okay. [11:21] The left represented by [clears throat] [11:22] Azen by Azenot still coming with the [11:24] same poison the same shot [11:29] and offering you basically to do the [11:32] same again. [11:33] >> But in what ways are they offering? [11:35] >> One second. and and the right that never [11:38] came never since begging time. [11:40] >> Yeah. [11:41] >> Never came with an alternative to the [11:43] left. But at least [11:46] it's a it's a it's an it's an empty [11:49] wagon [snorts] that I believe which is [11:52] the national camp that I can work out [11:57] through that wagon [11:59] to to bring [12:02] finally so many years after it was empty [12:05] a new direction [12:07] >> and red lines an alternative to the to [12:10] the way of Oslo. And that's why at the [12:13] very first day at the 8th and 9th of [12:16] October three years ago, I don't know if [12:20] you were here and and but I was running [12:22] around like like mush, you know, to [12:25] every TV channel and saying because [12:29] Netanyahu started to wait three weeks to [12:31] see what's the policy, how much we [12:33] should do, how we should define [12:36] victory and I said [12:40] now. Mhm. [12:41] >> occupation, [12:44] >> transfer all all the Arabs. I don't [12:46] care. They cannot stay there after what [12:48] they did. I mean I mean look what the [12:51] the Americans did and what look what the [12:53] Brits did in World War II in Dresden in [12:56] in in Hamburg and and and and the [12:59] Germans did nothing to them to to them [13:02] as what the as what Gaza did to us. No [13:05] one no German soldier crossed the [13:09] channel and raped and and and and killed [13:12] children. They bombed London. So they [13:15] when when the wheel of war changed, they [13:16] bombed Hamburg to ashes and the American [13:20] in in was there any humanity aid in in [13:23] in Nagasaki and and in Hiroshima and and [13:28] and the Japanese did nothing [13:31] close to what the to what Gaza did to [13:34] us. [13:35] >> Do you think the government [13:37] >> So there's no there's no there was no [13:38] and there was legitim total legitimacy [13:41] to that. Now, I'm not saying to kill all [13:42] of Gaza, [13:43] >> but you could open the borders and push [13:46] them out and the world would accept it. [13:49] And the Egyptians even offered to help [13:51] at the same at the first week. But you [13:56] did not had in your mind as the [14:01] right-wing leadership of Israel [14:04] even a even the the the the the a slight [14:08] thought of maybe we should see the 7th [14:11] of October not only as the worst [14:14] disaster since the Holocaust, but also [14:17] as an opportunity to finish with this [14:20] concept of Oslo and take back full [14:23] control of Gaza and see how we getting [14:25] rid of these these mon Islam Nazi [14:28] monsters, okay, and rebuild this land [14:32] which is obviously part of Israel. No [14:35] one no one denied that. [14:36] >> So what do you think the government did [14:38] wrong during its term in terms of of [14:40] that if you think [14:42] >> kept on thinking through the Oslo [14:45] concept? [14:46] >> You think that they should have done [14:48] more much more [14:50] >> in Gaza? the right [14:51] >> how much [14:52] >> the national camp the right wingers [14:54] never had [14:56] >> a different uh uh option [15:00] >> than what the offer ever left [15:02] >> you know we never really answered why [15:04] you recommend him as to be prime [15:06] minister then in that case [15:07] >> simply because because from the national [15:09] camp you see now if the doctor that has [15:12] nothing in in today he's is shot he's [15:16] he's empty okay the the the left still [15:20] believe ideologically [15:22] that by giving away our land, okay, and [15:25] by creating what they call a uh a uh [15:30] villa in the jungle, in the jungle, [15:32] okay, [15:34] uh uh will be able somehow to manage the [15:36] basic concepts that brought the [15:39] disaster. The concepts that brought [15:41] Oslo, let me say just a word about Oslo, [15:44] okay? [15:45] The the most important intellectual that [15:48] stood behind Oslo was Dr. Ron Pundak in [15:52] 1914 in 2014. Pundak was asked he passed [15:56] away a short while afterwards he was [15:59] challenged. The Oslo that you brought on [16:01] us failed because he did not bring [16:02] peace. It it brought rivers of blood. [16:05] Yeah. [16:05] >> You know here in Jerusalem bus blew blew [16:07] blew blew up the theo everybody remember [16:11] theo was bombed and so on. And his [16:13] answer was Oslo did not fail because it [16:17] not it was not about peace. [16:20] It was about notice [16:23] Israelism of the Israeli society instead [16:27] of Judaism of the Israeli society. [16:30] >> It was not about peace and war. It was [16:32] not about economy. It was not about [16:34] anything that that they tried to cover [16:37] with. It was not about that. It was [16:39] about identity. Who are we? the Israeli [16:44] the Israel society who do we want to be [16:47] when we grow up Jews or Israelis it's a [16:51] war of identity between ourselves [16:52] >> right [16:53] >> and everything that happens [16:55] >> it's because of that [16:57] >> well it's a big question [16:58] >> and and the right way now now of course [17:00] the left wants want want to be Israelis [17:03] that's why they brought Oslo and if you [17:05] have time I'll explain to you why Oslo [17:09] forced the Israel identity of Israeli [17:11] society [17:12] I don't want to take too much. [17:13] >> Yeah, I don't want to get into where we [17:14] are now. [17:15] >> But but but the point is [17:18] that in order to bring [17:21] an alternative to the to the leftist [17:24] Oslo concept that brought us into this [17:27] horrible position where we are now. [17:29] >> Yeah. [17:29] >> The 7th of October and after [17:32] >> you have to come from a Jewish identity [17:35] point of view. [17:36] >> Mhm. that from that point of view you [17:39] you uh um you create a total different [17:45] policies and tactics. Okay. [17:47] >> Is it a Jewish, you know, point of view [17:50] to like wipe out all of Gaza though and [17:52] get everyone out of there and and annex [17:55] and annex the West Bank? Like do you [17:57] believe [17:57] >> 100%. [17:59] >> And you you think that everything should [18:01] be annexed completely [18:03] >> in Gaza? They shouldn't look [18:07] >> what about international response to [18:08] this [18:09] >> before we talk to about international [18:10] respond. Okay, you have to realize [18:13] kashet. [18:17] The the the the baby that will be born [18:21] I'll say something very tough now. Okay, [18:23] excuse me for saying that. [18:26] The baby that will be born tomorrow [18:29] in Gaza, the Arab baby. Notice that I'm [18:33] not saying kamas. I'm not saying [18:34] Palestinian. There's a there's a [18:37] so-called national entity that we [18:39] created in Gaza. Okay? [18:43] The enemy is Gaza, not Hamas. Okay? [18:48] The baby that will be born in Gaza [18:52] tomorrow [18:55] will do exactly the same. [18:59] God forbid to your birth baby. They'll [19:02] be born tomorrow in Jerusalem. [19:04] There's no other way. That's the reason [19:08] they live for. [19:10] Okay? That's what they learn with their [19:14] mother's milk. [19:17] >> And you don't think maybe this is what [19:19] gives them a reason to live. Okay? [19:21] >> There's no way to change. [19:22] >> There's no way to change. You're not [19:24] what they learn there. [19:24] >> You're not going to change them. You're [19:26] not going to educate them. Don't don't [19:28] see yourself as they have the reason to [19:30] leave. They saying it openly and they [19:33] explain themselves very very clear at [19:37] the 7th of October. And if you did not [19:39] listen to the to the if if you not [19:42] listen to what they saying [snorts] with [19:44] a mouth and with a knives at the 7th of [19:49] October, you are not [19:52] moral [19:54] and you are not responsible [19:57] to your kids. [19:59] So after October 7th, if we're speaking [20:01] about that, I know that there's a state. [20:03] >> So if you're saying telling me, is it [20:05] moral? There's nothing moral besides [20:08] that. [20:09] >> After October 7th, you made a statement [20:11] saying that it was a good thing to you [20:14] said um it's a good thing for there to [20:16] be dead babies in Gaza or something [20:18] along the lines of that. Do you still [20:19] stand by such a statement? [20:21] >> I don't want to see dead babies in Gaza. [20:24] I want to see Gaza empty. But I am not [20:27] afraid [20:29] when they hiding behind behind their own [20:33] babies and this is what they do. The [20:35] glorified death. [20:38] Their ma the mothers over over there [20:40] want saying openly that they want the [20:42] kids to be killed [20:44] >> together with the Jews. This is what [20:47] Islam Islam is all about. It's about [20:49] tyranny. This is what this horrible [20:52] religion is all about. is about t [20:54] tyranny and about and glor g g g g g g g [20:56] g g g g g g g g g g g g g glorification [20:57] of death. They saying it. Don't try to [21:02] to tell yourself stories that maybe they [21:05] mean something else and if they you'll [21:07] give them money and you'll give them uh [21:09] uh uh prosperity, they'll think think [21:12] different. You know, the Twin Towers [21:16] were were were were destroyed by [21:19] billionaires, [21:21] Muslim billionaires. Okay. When you [21:23] decide that they don't mean what they [21:26] say, [21:29] you're looking down at them. You don't [21:31] respect them. [21:34] >> Okay? I respect them. I believe them. [21:37] And they explain themselves very very [21:38] well. And I'll tell you something more, [21:40] Keshett. There's something deeper than [21:42] that. I wrote about it in my book [21:46] >> that become bestseller in Amazon. I [21:48] don't know if you read it. [21:49] >> I've heard of it. Yeah. [21:50] >> There's an expectation [21:53] from the civilized humanity basically [21:56] humanity that believes in one god okay [22:00] >> you can call the western western [22:02] civilization okay [22:04] there's an expectation from the Jewish [22:06] nation when it comes back to its [22:08] homeland to represent moral values to [22:12] the entire world that's the deep reason [22:14] why why we got the Balfur declaration [22:17] after the big despair of world war I [22:20] balour and the mayor of London [22:23] Uh Barbara Tukman, the famous historian [22:26] lady Barbara Tukman wrote a whole book [22:28] about it. the the the the the Bible and [22:30] the sword explains the reason why the [22:33] Brits at the time decided to give us a [22:35] state because they said maybe when the [22:38] when the people of the book will go back [22:40] to the promised land and the language of [22:42] the prophets will be heard from the [22:44] hills of Judea a new message of faith [22:46] and justice will be will be and and [22:49] freedom will be uh uh uh radiate to the [22:52] entire world. the the the the message of [22:54] the prophets will this message will be [22:57] of life will will be spread from from [23:01] Jerusalem and from the from the temple [23:03] mount from the holy of the holies. Okay. [23:05] So the war here is spiritual. It's not [23:08] territorial. [23:09] We all understand that. Okay. we have no [23:11] borders with the Iranians and and and [23:14] the and the kibbutim that they attacked [23:16] were not occupied in 60 1967 and they [23:19] said openly it's about alka so the the [23:22] spiritual war here is what kind of [23:26] message will come out from the from from [23:29] the from the house of god in Jerusalem [23:32] okay the message of tyranny and death [23:35] the Islamic message of tyranny and death [23:37] and glorified [23:39] glorification of of of of of death the [23:41] shuada as they call it or the message of [23:44] life and liberty what we do with all the [23:46] Palestinians who all the life lost [23:49] there. So now, so now, okay, now now you [23:53] have to understand that [23:55] >> the world is looking at you. Spreading [23:57] the message of life [24:00] of goodness to the entire humanity [24:04] is not only about giving you other cheek [24:06] as Christianity think. Okay, it's also [24:10] it's also to show how you deal with [24:12] evil. [24:14] Okay, just imagine that World War II [24:17] would would ended up with [24:21] some kind of Nazi regime still holding [24:25] Ger in Germany. Okay, what kind of world [24:27] you and I would have be born into that [24:30] the Nazi Germany still exist in in a [24:32] way. Okay, you can talk to them. Okay, [24:35] they lost the war but we left them [24:36] there. We we left Hitler still running [24:38] the show somehow or or is number two. [24:42] Okay. And what we had of I mean I mean [24:46] everybody understood that you're talking [24:48] here about an evil that must be [24:50] destroyed completely. Okay. [24:52] >> Now you created a state. You created the [24:55] the best army and air force in in in the [24:58] Middle East at least. Okay. And now this [25:01] evil of the evil worse than the Nazis [25:04] worse than the Nazis attacked you in [25:06] your own backyard. How do you deal with [25:08] that? Can you come with moral backbone [25:12] to erase completely [25:16] this evilness that land in the world on [25:20] in your backyard and show the whole [25:23] whole world that there's no room for [25:25] that kind of evil in in in the on the [25:27] globe? Do you do that or you also [25:31] showing that you can live with that? [25:32] You'll be surprised. But one of the [25:34] things I said immediately after when [25:36] when they started to show the pictures [25:39] of the hostages and the and the horrible [25:42] videos to the entire world basically [25:45] looking some for some mercy and and and [25:48] sympathy from the world I immediately [25:51] said that this is a tremendous mistake [25:54] tremendous mistake and it will lead to [25:57] the biggest wave of anti-semitism all [26:00] over the world and I was of of course I [26:02] was eight. [26:04] >> Mhm. [26:04] >> How did I came to this conclusion? I'm [26:06] talking about at the eight. I said it at [26:07] the eight and nine over at the same at [26:09] the same at the same week. Okay. How did [26:12] I understood that? Because I knew we [26:14] have to win this evilness and not [26:17] looking for mercy or legitimacy from the [26:19] this is what the world is expecting from [26:20] us. You know, if we would have done what [26:23] I said needs to be done, if we would [26:25] have done in Gaza, what the British [26:27] people did in Hamburg and what what the [26:29] Americans did did in in in in Nagasaki, [26:33] okay, [26:33] >> to blow it up, you're saying [26:34] >> to finish that, okay, this movie Naza [26:38] just came out, right, [26:39] >> would never came. The world would would [26:41] have been with us just as they were with [26:43] us after we won the Six Day War. But you [26:45] don't think about, you know, blow just [26:48] blowing it up. Let's say as you're [26:49] mentioning like the the children that [26:52] are there, the babies. [26:54] >> I'm saying again [26:56] >> again [26:57] >> because I'm Jewish and I guess I'm a bit [26:59] a little bit weak morally. I don't want [27:02] to see babies killed. Okay. [27:05] Morally that should have been done. [27:08] Okay. Because of everything I explained. [27:10] So, but because I'm I'm I'm I'm a I'm [27:12] I'm I'm a Jewish I'm Jewish with with [27:14] soft heart, I would open the the the [27:17] borders and let them all go, but no one [27:20] can stay. [27:21] >> And it has to be a part of the Jewish [27:23] land, Jewish state. We should have seen [27:26] now the Gushkati villages built already. [27:30] We should have seen now the new Israeli [27:33] international airport [27:36] almost finished, done, created. Okay. In [27:40] in the Gaza Strip. [27:42] And if that would have been done, the [27:45] whole [27:47] Middle East would have calmed down. They [27:50] would understand that the Jews, the [27:53] Israelis [27:54] are not in the onslaught. Things would [27:56] have calmed down on an international [27:58] level if we would have done that because [28:00] uh [28:01] >> because that would have sent a message [28:04] ensures [28:06] what victory means to us. When you [28:09] attack us, okay, from any part of the [28:12] biblical land, you're going to lose it. [28:15] >> And we're going to expand, [28:18] okay? And and that would have bring [28:20] peace to the entire region because they [28:22] don't care about being killed. Life [28:24] means nothing to them. They don't care [28:25] about uh some homes being destroyed. [28:29] Immediately they get for every building [28:31] that being destroyed in South Lebanon or [28:33] or in Gaza three times as much. [28:37] Literally for every building they're [28:39] getting they're getting from Europe and [28:40] from and from the and from Qatar and [28:43] other countries. It's it's the best deal [28:46] to let your your home be being destroyed [28:48] by by by by the Israelis immediately. [28:50] They send money money money to to build [28:52] it again. They don't care about that. [28:53] It's good for them. They they they they [28:56] love to pull you into that field and and [28:59] and and use their own families as and [29:01] children as as human shield. They don't [29:03] care. They care only about one thing. [29:06] Losing the land they holding. [29:09] So when they would have seen that this [29:10] is the price that you pay that will end [29:14] the war. That would have that would have [29:16] ended the war instead of [29:18] the way we behaved [29:21] uh uh did exactly the opposite. It [29:24] pulled gasoline on the fire and and and [29:28] and gave them temptation to continue the [29:31] war because they have they have nothing [29:32] to lose. So, I've heard you say in the [29:35] past that you want to be defense [29:37] minister in the next government. Um, I [29:39] don't know if that's still your what [29:41] your what your goal is. Do you think [29:43] that um you know, you said you're going [29:45] to recommend Netanyahu for prime [29:47] minister? So, um do you think that if [29:50] you were defense minister, you could [29:52] pressure him to do do things like like [29:55] what you're saying? [29:56] >> Yes. [29:57] >> What would you do you think you're [29:58] qualified for this role? Look, obviously [30:01] we need to build the Israeli army again. [30:03] It was destroyed by Eisenkot and and all [30:07] the almost almost all the top generals [30:09] of the army since Oslo and definitely [30:11] since the disengagement in the last 20 [30:13] years. [30:15] You see keshet the concept that built [30:19] when you're building an army you have to [30:22] have a kind of a picture to what kind of [30:26] war you're preparing your army because [30:28] you cannot work any other what is your [30:30] strategy how do you see the the the the [30:33] the the end game what is the picture [30:36] that you're building your forces for now [30:38] since Oslo and all these progressive [30:41] concept that that flood [30:45] the the armed forces of Israel. Okay. [30:50] The concept that everybody saw not only [30:53] in the army but also also Netanyahu [30:56] >> also the right wing [snorts] [30:58] >> was as I said before [31:01] I mean what we trying to [31:04] the end game is [31:06] VA villa in the in the jungle. Okay. [31:10] Once you and and when you have a when [31:12] when when all you're looking for is to [31:15] be a western outpost like European [31:18] outpost in the Middle East, some kind of [31:20] a civilian state, secular state. Okay, [31:23] you can have your synagogues, mosques, [31:25] but but you don't have Jewish, you're [31:27] not a Jewish state as I as I said [31:29] before. Okay, Dr. Ron Pundak was right. [31:31] So pieces never will never be here. So [31:33] we'll we'll will'll surround us with [31:36] walls and and and and and uh and all [31:39] kind of electronic games and missiles [31:42] again missiles and we'll have we'll [31:45] defend our our our [31:48] villa in this uh uh middle east jungle [31:53] and and build our secular life European [31:56] life here. Uh uh that was the concept. [32:00] Now when when this is the concept, you [32:03] don't need tanks anymore because tanks [32:06] supposed to take over land, right? [32:09] Occupy land. But you want to just close [32:12] yourself as the [32:15] but you just close be behind walls. [32:19] So what Eisenkot Eisenot for example let [32:23] 100,000 soldiers go home. [32:27] Okay. Today they're looking to to to [32:29] somehow get 20,000 soldiers from from [32:32] the somehow he took existing soldiers [32:35] and sent them send them home. They [32:37] destroy the all the tanks literally [32:41] through to the garbage that meava tanks [32:44] there was no army there at the 7th of [32:46] October. [32:46] >> Right. But karedi parties have also you [32:49] know partnered with smotic and have [32:51] there's been a lot of [32:52] >> I'm just I'm just saying with that the [32:54] difference between me and them is I'm [32:56] coming to the position I hopefully of [32:58] defense minister from a total different [33:00] concept [33:01] >> and regarding uh the spike in West Bank [33:03] settler violence what would you want to [33:05] do about that do you condemn it what [33:08] would be your plan against it [33:10] >> of course we don't want to see anyone [33:11] anyone take the law in his hands and [33:14] definitely don't want to see violence [33:16] and and so on. Did you ever hear about [33:18] Hershel Grinchpan? [33:21] >> Okay. Hershel Grinchpan was a Jewish [33:24] young man [33:25] >> in uh during like the Holocaust [33:27] >> before the Holocaust even started. Okay. [33:31] and he heard what the Germans are doing [33:32] to his family or in in in in Germany, [33:36] what the Nazi [33:38] and he decided to kill he he was in [33:40] Paris I think and he decided to kill a a [33:42] German uh a German diplomat. [33:46] Now the Nazis used that temptation of of [33:51] Hela Grinchman to kill a German diplomat [33:53] to start [33:55] the crystal [33:58] was [33:58] >> because of him. So if I would come to [34:01] you and and said said to you kesh, did [34:04] you heard did you hear about the over [34:06] thousand Jews were slaughtered and and [34:09] all synagogues in Germany were burned? [34:13] Uh you know why it happened? It's all [34:14] because of hersel grinba. He's it is him [34:18] to blame. What do you what will you say? [34:21] >> Well, we can't blame it on him. All on [34:23] him. [34:23] >> But this is but this is what you exactly [34:25] did. But this is No, it's not. It's ex [34:27] it's exactly the same. [34:29] Can you name one [34:33] what you call Palestinian? One Arab in [34:36] Judea and Samaria that was killed by a [34:38] settler in the last 10 years. Give me [34:41] one name. [34:43] >> One Arab that was killed by a settler. [34:46] >> We've had tons of like um attacks in the [34:49] West Bank from from Jews. I can't I I [34:53] can't go into the names. I mean, I I [34:54] could like look it up and and see, but I [34:56] know that there's been cases [34:57] >> not by soldiers [35:00] in in demonstrations and and and terror [35:02] terror attacks. And at the end, the the [35:05] the the terrorist was killed between [35:09] Jews and their neighbors in the [35:11] settlements. Settlers that killed Arabs [35:16] in Judea and Samaria. Give me one name [35:18] in the last 10 years. [35:20] I'll have to look and see. [35:22] >> You will not find you will not find [35:25] not even one. [35:28] >> Okay. [35:28] >> Not that there never was. Beforehand [35:30] there was one or or two. There there was [35:33] very very rare. You know how many Jews [35:35] were killed by Arabs [35:37] in the settlements? Hundreds and [35:39] hundreds. [35:41] >> Mhm. [35:41] >> So just that just gives you the right [35:43] picture. What happens is what happened [35:46] all the time is that Arabs attacking [35:50] Jews [35:52] uh there's no army and no police there. [35:54] Jews feels that they have they have to [35:56] defend themselves and the when the Arab [35:59] attack them they know how to bring the [36:01] media and of and immediately gives you [36:04] the the end picture where you don't [36:06] understand what really happened and it [36:08] happens again and again. So [36:12] do me a favor with that. Okay. [36:13] >> Okay. And I just I want to make sure we [36:15] get um to this topic. I think it's just [36:18] very important. In your last campaign [36:20] you ran um one of the things you're [36:22] pushing for was the legalization of [36:23] cannabis in the country. Um I don't know [36:26] if we've heard so much about that in [36:28] this campaign. So I wanted to hear if [36:29] that's still something you're pushing [36:31] for and what you think should be done in [36:33] regards to that. Is aligned with you on [36:35] that position? [36:36] >> Of of course he's not. It's a technical [36:38] block as as I mentioned before and we [36:40] both have both parties has a total [36:42] different not total but but in many ways [36:45] different policies as I me as I [36:47] explained before we're talking about the [36:49] combination of very strong national [36:52] identity on the other hand deep [36:54] understanding [36:56] of of of freedom as as as a Jewish [37:00] message okay this is our land because of [37:05] our identity on that and we we we give [37:10] most of the power from the state back to [37:12] the people. Also, Margaret Toucher said [37:14] that Reagan Ronald Ronald Reagan said it [37:18] also. [37:18] >> So, yeah, we believe in that. Uh we [37:21] believe in libertarian economy. We [37:23] believe in to give all the freedom the [37:26] the involvement of the state in in in [37:28] the life of of the individual should be [37:31] minimized. We want to have a a not more [37:34] than 11 ministers. [37:36] >> Today we have I think 34 half of the [37:39] capacities in the government. Uh uh this [37:42] is our and in that inside that [37:44] understanding we also said as in in in [37:47] in [37:48] we have we have a very very big platform [37:54] like no other party has. uh 300 pages of [37:58] platform and half of that half of that [38:00] half a page in that big platform dealt [38:03] with cannabis and Muana [38:05] but of course the media made a whole [38:07] story out of it like media always do uh [38:11] and yes we still believe that I mean I [38:13] mean people above uh the the age of 21 [38:17] using it for for private uh use not not [38:21] for commercial or anything like that [38:23] should I'm totally against it by the way [38:26] I'm Not I'm not I'm not recommending it. [38:28] >> Yeah, but you're saying if people [38:30] >> I don't I don't I don't I don't want I [38:31] don't want to smoke cigarettes, you [38:33] know. I don't I don't [38:35] >> disgusting cigarett cigarettes are [38:36] different when my head my her I don't [38:39] even take a pill. I I I drink cup of [38:41] water and go to sleep. I don't I my [38:44] personal view about these these things [38:46] is that God created us perfect and try [38:50] to less [38:53] >> involious you know don't don't if if if [38:56] if it if it works don't fix it. [38:58] >> Yeah. [38:59] >> But uh but uh but if somebody a grownup [39:03] person feels that he wants it's it's his [39:06] freedom. And um also you've said in the [39:09] past about not wanting public [39:11] transportation um at all. Is that still [39:14] a stance you hold that there shouldn't [39:16] be any public transportation? [39:20] >> Yes, there should be public [39:21] transportation run by private companies, [39:24] not by the states. That's what I'm [39:26] saying. [39:27] There should be there should be of [39:29] course uh um open market and uh [39:35] >> so there should be [39:36] >> they should of course there should be [39:37] buses and should be trains the best the [39:41] future should be uh to bring the concept [39:44] of Uber like social [39:48] >> to Israel which today they don't they [39:49] don't let right [39:50] >> because of kind of [laughter] [39:52] communist concept that runs still runs [39:54] the show here so bring Uber here and [39:57] bring an atom autonomic [39:59] uh cars which already runs runs in Los [40:03] Angeles. I don't know why they cannot [40:04] run run in Tel Aviv. Okay. Combine them [40:08] together have these autonomic cars runs [40:11] around take you wherever you need. [40:14] That's that's what I I see in my vision [40:16] as as the future [snorts] [40:18] future uh solution to uh [40:20] >> but for right now [40:21] >> transportation [40:22] >> for right now. [40:24] for right now they they they doing the [40:27] best they can with trains which which [40:28] are working very well. I'm not saying to [40:31] stop anything, okay? But [40:33] >> but the vision is to privatize the [40:36] market and by doing that have [snorts] [40:39] >> lower prices and better service. [40:42] >> Privatize them [40:43] >> like like any like it always works. [40:45] That's the way it works everywhere. We [40:47] see [40:49] >> you agree with Smatri's stance to like [40:51] have more competition. Um and you know [40:54] he's tried to push for that dairy [40:55] reform. Um [40:57] >> I totally I totally agree you are [40:59] aligned in the financial [41:00] >> on that of course agreed. Yes. [41:02] >> Okay. Okay. [41:03] >> I was very sorry that all kind of forces [41:06] did not let it happen. [41:09] >> Okay. Well, thank you so much [music] uh [41:11] Mash. [41:11] >> You're very welcome. [41:12] >> Thank you. [41:12] >> You're very welcome.
