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Jewish and Muslim leaders sign Declaration of Fraternity in Faith to fight hatred
Jewish and Muslim leaders sign Declaration of Fraternity in Faith to fight hatred
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Two religions, Judaism and Islam, are
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too often divided by conflict. Now, a
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rabbi and an imam, are calling for
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something deeper than coexistence, a
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commitment to help one another thrive.
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Rabbi Dr. Jakob Nagen and Imam Talib
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Sharif signed their Jewish Muslim
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declaration of fraternity and faith last
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week at the G20 Interfaith Forum in Salt
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Lake City, Utah. It calls for a
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religious identity to stop setting
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people against each other, but instead
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become a bridge between communities. For
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more on this, we're joined by Rabbi Dr.
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Jakob Nuggin, president of the Jerusalem
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Interfaith Center. Rabbi Nugan, great to
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have you with us uh on i24 News today.
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Thank you for joining us.
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>> Thank you for hosting me. Well, let's
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begin with at its core. What is the
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Jewish Muslim Declaration of Fraternity
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and Faith that you signed and how long
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have you been working towards this?
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For me, this is the fruit of a lifelong
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journey which intensified after October
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7th with the religious identity is not
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going anywhere. The great question for
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in Israel
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around the world, Jews around the world,
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our religious identity is going to be a
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source of conflict setting Jews and
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Muslims against each other or can we
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create a narrative, a story which is
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deeply authentic in our sources of a
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story of connection, of a shared story
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that there's a place for each of us in
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the world and transforming the issue of
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religious identity, conflict connection.
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This is the heart of what we do and this
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is the heart of the declaration that we
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worked on for years. We're together in
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Indonesia, in Morocco during the heart
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of the war with and getting more allies
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and connections to change his narrative
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of identity.
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>> You're calling for something that goes
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beyond even coexistence. I believe
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co-elevation is the term that Imam Talib
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used.
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What would that actually look like in
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everyday life? And how do you make this
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distinction?
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So I think that's a key issue.
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Unfortunately, much of the interfaith
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discourse is a word which is really
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intolerable which is tolerance.
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To talk about tolerance, tolerance means
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I'm willing to bear the pain of you. And
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if someone I'm sure Nicole someone would
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say, I'm willing to tolerate you. Um I
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would really warm your heart. Better
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than tolerance could be coexistence, but
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coexistence is live and let live. But
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when problems come up, whether it's I'm
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willing to bear the pain of you or
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whether live and let live, things will
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fall apart. When we talk about
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partnership and co-elevation, we're
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talking most importantly is I see you. I
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I authentically try to cross the bridge.
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see you appreciate not you only you as a
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human being but also your deep identity
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that you're devoted to by seeing you
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your identity and believing that my
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world is richer more blessed by having
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you part of it and I have what to learn
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from you and in the challenges we face
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we will work together that's
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co-elevation
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>> well Rabbi Nan it's a beautiful message
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but since October 7th there's grief
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there's anger There's distrust. It's
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made these conversations especially
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difficult to have. Many people are not
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willing to even have a conversation. So
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how do you build trust when the pain is
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still so deep?
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>> Yeah. So I think the watershed moment of
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October 7th for many people their
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relation in interfaith the relationships
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fell apart.
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I found and certainly with with my
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partner there but hundreds of others
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they've only deepened. If the rel if
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it's if it's based on platitudes and
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polite things say things it'll fall
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apart. If it's real relationships and
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feeling this is part of my devotion to
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my religion to to God these
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relationships in in difficult times they
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get deeper. And I think both Jews and
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Muslims each have what to learn. Jews
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must believe and know that not all Islam
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is the kamas is Iran is theah
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by believing that it's self-defeating
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because this is a narrative that kamas
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is trying to promote
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u Muslims important by to acknowledge
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the authenticity of Jewish belief Jewish
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ethnicity um could respond to what
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ultimately is a neoarxist third world
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worldism that leads to a lot of the
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antagonism to Israel in different Muslim
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countries.
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>> So a lot of these messages need to come
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from the leaders it seems. So how do you
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re reach the religious leaders and
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communities who who might be resistance
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to hearing what you're saying?
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Well, first of all, I think the problem
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is less the the number of people who are
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deeply resistance and often are not
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flexible. The problem is there large
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masses who are indifferent who just go
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with the flow. So it's a small committed
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group what have created a negative
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deadly narrative and we want to we are
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developing our narrative and spreading
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it in the masses that go along.
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Furthermore, I feel um two techniques.
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First of all, the person-toperson
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encounter is critical. At the conference
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itself on the stage, I was look worth a
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suit and a tal. The next day, civilian
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clothing and someone Muhammad from
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Lebanon approached me and said, "You
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know, I never would have thought of
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approaching a Jew, but there were this
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rabbi that spoke yesterday and I want to
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get to know you." Then he stops. Wait a
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second. That was you on the stage
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yesterday. So the real encounter meeting
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can often be transformative.
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>> Also our work and our declaration is
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very authentically rooted in our
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traditions. It's not fluffy quotes here
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or there but integrity and faithfulness
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to our respective literatures
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>> and spreading them.
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>> Have the quote we are authent a
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authentic we are the fundamentalist.
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Well, I think an amazing work that you
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guys are doing and it's great to hear
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about this initiative that was just
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signed. Rabbi Dr. Yakov Nagan, [music]
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thank you for being with us on i24 News.
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Jewish and Muslim leaders sign Declaration of Fraternity in Faith to fight hatred
