Transcript [00:00] Roi, my middle son, who was 28 years [00:03] old. Around 7:30 in the morning on the [00:05] 7th of October, he was already in the [00:08] uniform. He was a commander in the [00:11] counter attack unit [music] on reserves. [00:14] He has his own team and they were an [00:16] attack team. He knew that there were no [00:18] questions. Nobody called him. He went on [00:20] his own. He [music] checked who is [00:22] available on his team. It was obvious [00:24] for him that this is his duty. [00:32] Mikall, [music] it's great to be with [00:33] you here. [00:34] >> Thank you very much for inviting me. [00:36] >> Thank you. Um, you're right now on the [00:38] seventh slot of [music] Bennett's [00:40] Navtali Bennett's list. It's polling as [00:43] um the second largest party in the [00:44] opposition block in most polls after [00:46] Eisenot. You're most likely going to [00:48] make it into the next Knesset. I mean, [00:50] >> um, so I first wanted to hear a little [00:52] bit about yourself. um you have a very [00:56] um [00:57] interesting story that I think is really [01:00] um could be very powerful. We're right [01:03] now um at the 3-year anniversary of [01:05] October 7th this week. Um so I'd like to [01:08] hear a bit about yourself and what [01:09] brought you to be on Bennett's list. [01:11] >> I'm born and raised here in Jerusalem to [01:15] a very Zionist family. My father was a [01:17] holoca is a Holocaust survivor. He came [01:20] to Israel on the Exodus ship and he [01:24] worked all his life in the Jewish agency [01:27] bringing Jews back to Israel. [01:30] >> So I also was in the in around countries [01:35] with my father as a child and um my [01:39] career started in the education. I was a [01:42] school principal and then I was in [01:45] charge of the education in Ranana for [01:47] eight years and then I was the uh [01:51] general manager of Ranana for 5 years. [01:54] So I know the field of education from [01:58] all uh side as you asked me what is the [02:01] reason for stepping in uh to the [02:04] politics. I have to say that all my all [02:07] the years that I've been working I've [02:09] been working in the public service [02:13] >> but in the professional side meaning you [02:17] know the all the positions of the of the [02:20] profession [02:20] >> the municipality [02:22] >> and I liked it very much [02:24] >> um it gives you a lot it fulfills you [02:27] you you know and you feel every day that [02:30] you do something that is meaningful. [02:32] >> Yeah. There was a joke in my house when [02:34] we were sitting in Shabbat night in Mai [02:38] Shabbat that the only one who's not [02:41] sorry that it's the weekend is over is [02:43] me because I loved my my work. [02:45] >> Don't hear that often. [02:46] >> You don't hear that often and I and I [02:48] was lucky to do really things that I I [02:50] liked and I felt that they're more [02:52] meaningful and I felt that I really can [02:54] change the the well-being of people [02:56] because in municipalities you're very [02:58] close to people. So I am like a field [03:01] person [03:03] my middle son who was 28 years old and [03:08] got married on the 23rd of August 2023 [03:13] one and a half month before the 7th of [03:14] October and he was uh started his life [03:18] around 7:30 in the morning on the 7th of [03:20] October he was already in the uniform he [03:24] was a commander in the counter attack [03:27] unit on reserves he wasn't and in his [03:31] duty military, but he was on reserves [03:33] and he trained a lot. He has his own [03:35] team and they were an attack team. It [03:39] was obvious and was like he knew that [03:42] there were no questions. Nobody called [03:44] him. [03:45] >> No one called him. [03:45] >> No one called him. He called. [03:46] >> So he went on his own. [03:47] >> He went on his own. He checked who is [03:51] available in his on his team and they [03:53] met in Adam in Midcanadam. That's where [03:56] the Lara counterattack bases. It was [04:00] obvious for him that this is his duty. [04:05] And around midday when more news came [04:10] and they started to understand a little [04:14] bit of what was going on because nobody [04:16] knew the chaos and the and what was [04:18] going really what was really going on. [04:20] He had a chat with one of his commander [04:23] friends minutes before they went on to [04:26] the buses to go down to the south and um [04:31] his friend asked him, "Are you going to [04:33] write anything?" Because they started [04:35] hearing news about the chaos and more [04:39] numbers of soldiers that were [04:42] >> and everything was very unclear at [04:43] first. [04:44] >> Very unclear. And uh he said, "No, what [04:47] am I going to write?" you know he's he [04:50] my son grew to a father that says don't [04:52] take flat tire uh kit so you will not [04:55] have a flat tire so what am I going to [04:58] write anyway they had a conversation [05:00] between them you tell me what if and I [05:02] will tell you what if and they went down [05:04] to Bi [05:07] led in three teams [05:09] >> Wow [05:09] >> and his soldiers said that at the gate [05:13] of Ber as they described it the gates of [05:16] hell opened [05:17] >> Wow And when he stood there, which was [05:19] one of his characters to see the [05:22] situation, analyze, and you know, be [05:25] very professional and cold minded. [05:30] >> Yeah. [snorts] [05:30] >> And he said, um, we are not looking at [05:33] the bodies. You are here. We are here to [05:36] save people. We are here to save our [05:38] country. And they went in and they [05:40] fought in the Kame neighborhood, which [05:42] was one of the hardest uh places. There [05:46] were hundreds of terrorists in. [05:48] >> Wow. [05:49] >> And they went house by house because it [05:52] was a very complicated area. So he um [05:56] insisted on going in first into every [05:58] house [06:00] >> and he organized this all himself. Like [06:02] there this wasn't like through the IDF [06:04] like telling him anything to go there [06:06] like you said like he really was [06:08] organizing. [06:09] >> He really was organizing it. And when [06:11] they came into Bir, they saw others that [06:15] that came the same way like from the the [06:18] Sheldag unit and from the parachute unit [06:21] and they just opened the map on the lid [06:24] of the car and looked at the kibuts just [06:28] so they don't have any overlap. Yeah. [06:31] And they divided the kibuts between them [06:34] and everyone took another strip of the [06:37] kibbuts because they got messages from [06:39] the kibuts where they have some people [06:43] in the mad. There was no light, no [06:46] electricity. Everything was dark. It was [06:48] already very late and around 9:00 at [06:51] night they went into one of the houses [06:54] to save people and there were two [06:57] terrorists in the house waiting for [06:59] them. One was hiding in the bathroom of [07:02] the master bedroom [07:05] and uh when they went in and there was a [07:08] grenade and we understood that they were [07:11] attacked. So he also turned to push his [07:15] team and save them and around 9:00 he [07:18] fell. [07:19] >> Wow. And it took me time to, you know, [07:22] that when something the hardest thing [07:24] ever happens to a family, you you learn [07:28] how to walk again all over. [07:31] >> Mhm. [07:32] >> And when I thought after Bennett decided [07:36] to go into politics again, he he [07:39] contacted me. [07:40] >> He reached out to you. [07:41] >> Yeah. He reached out and I and I thought [07:43] um in the beginning that I will not that [07:46] I don't have the energies. Usually when [07:49] I take something I, you know, I'm total [07:51] at what I take. [07:52] >> Yeah. [07:53] >> And I put in all the and I wasn't sure [07:55] that I have the energy now to do so. [07:58] >> But then the picture of Roy standing in [08:01] the gates of B. And I thought to myself, [08:04] he didn't ask. It wasn't comfortable. He [08:07] was in in the middle of his flourishing [08:09] life. And he knew that he has to save [08:11] the country. [08:12] >> Yeah. [08:12] >> And his tools were to fight. And my [08:15] tools are all the years of experience in [08:20] the field in managing in knowing how to [08:22] bring people together in knowing how to [08:24] move things in knowing how to manage big [08:27] >> [snorts] [08:27] >> uh organization and operation [08:30] >> and this is why I came in to save my [08:32] country [08:33] >> and you believe that through working in [08:35] the Knesset on Bennett's list you're [08:37] going to be able to save the country [08:39] like why why [08:41] >> I think that first of all knowing [08:43] Bennett first of all Bennett has the [08:44] most experience. Bennett was uh prime [08:47] minister uh one and a half years in the [08:51] Bennett's uh government. I was a [08:54] citizen. I was not in politics then. And [08:57] I felt the change as a citizen. I felt [09:00] the change in one and a half years that [09:02] the government just worked for the [09:06] people [09:08] >> professionally [09:09] worked. It was quiet. Nobody [09:11] >> as a citizen. You're saying it [09:12] >> as a citizen. I'm saying it. [09:14] >> Yeah. and and and so the experience of [09:17] being a prime minister for one and a [09:18] half years, the experience of being [09:20] minister of education, minister of [09:22] economics, minister of defense. So [09:26] >> knowing the work and he's a very um [09:30] determined, he's in action. [09:32] >> Yeah. [09:33] >> You know, he like like people that come [09:36] from the high-tech, you know, it's not [09:39] you you want things to happen and to [09:41] happen fast, [09:42] >> right? [snorts] and also the list that [09:45] we are in all all my colleagues in the [09:47] list. [09:47] >> So it's a lot of former director [09:49] generals people who again weren't [09:51] politicians once um new faces in the [09:54] Knesset that we haven't seen before. [09:56] >> That's right. and and professional [09:57] people that can, you know, put up their [10:00] sleeves [10:00] >> on 28th of October and and and start [10:03] working immediately. [10:05] >> Everyone in his own field or anywhere in [10:09] anywhere that they will put any one of [10:11] our list, [10:12] >> they know how to to work. They know how [10:15] to bring forward and to fix [10:18] >> every office that they're going to be [10:19] in. So can I ask you as a as a brieved [10:22] mother um after October 7th what did you [10:26] want the state to do? What did you [10:29] expect the state the government to do [10:30] that you feel needs to be fixed that you [10:33] feel was wrong? [10:34] >> I can say two main things. Yeah. The [10:37] first main obvious logical that every I [10:41] think person with a bit of logic in his [10:43] head is to have a [10:48] >> so that's a state commission of inquiry. [10:50] >> Yes. [10:51] >> The 7th of October is one of the of the [10:55] tragic [10:57] horror [10:58] >> that happened to to Israel uh I think [11:01] after the Holocaust. [11:02] >> Yeah. But this is when we have a [11:04] country. Everyone that was there there [11:07] in in the government in the man in any [11:10] in any position of of of management or [11:15] has to take responsibility and to [11:17] inquire so we will be sure that it will [11:20] never happen again. How can you be sure [11:22] that it will not happen again if you [11:24] don't inquire [11:25] >> and ask questions. So this is the first [11:27] thing I think they owe it first of all [11:31] to the families that gave all they had. [11:35] They owe it to the people that were torn [11:38] out of their houses. They only to the [11:40] people that were murdered. They owe it [11:41] to the people that were raped. They own [11:43] it to every citizen in Israel country. [11:47] This is the first thing. The second [11:48] thing I think is uh we are now in a very [11:52] u um complicated situation that we have [11:57] not we have we don't have enough [11:58] soldiers. [11:59] >> Yeah. [12:01] >> And this is I'm saying this because it's [12:03] in in two in two uh ways. Okay. First of [12:06] all, of course, we need everyone to [12:08] draft into the army. It's a law in [12:10] Israel. You have to do it and everyone [12:12] has to go into the army. Everyone. We [12:15] need it. And [snorts] what I say in in [12:18] the ultra orthodox I say that this is [12:21] also a way of bringing them under the [12:24] Jewish tent. I think that the ultra [12:26] orthodox when they will draft into the [12:29] army and they will go into the working [12:33] uh society sphere they will be involved [12:38] and um this is [12:41] >> it could like help with division in the [12:42] country or something. [12:43] >> It could help. Sure it will help [12:45] indivision and and this is what [12:48] strengthen us us as a as a community as [12:51] as a country. [12:52] >> This I think that our power is being [12:55] together [12:56] >> and being together is bringing us [12:58] together and we saw it [13:00] >> and you know we had a little little [13:03] glimpse of hope of a one or two month [13:06] after the 7th of October that we all [13:08] came together. I saw the Israeli people [13:11] at their best at their best. What I saw [13:15] after the 7th of October in my house, no [13:17] matter whether you are religious, ultra [13:21] religious or not religious, people came [13:24] and helped and came together and took [13:27] everything they could just to be [13:29] together and help and give from [13:30] themselves. You know, ultra orthodox, [13:33] they had they had a gun in their house, [13:35] they went also to fight. They didn't ask [13:38] questions. [13:39] >> Yeah. I have rabbis, friends of mine [13:43] that lost their child. So I think that [13:47] it's first of all that we need it for [13:50] our country for being united together [13:52] for our strength of our community. [13:55] >> Yeah. I just want to go back to the [13:57] first point you made about the state [13:58] commission of inquiry. [14:00] >> Um I wanted to know how you feel about [14:03] the fact that we're three years on and [14:05] we haven't done a probe yet. Um, you [14:07] know, some beraved family members have [14:09] said that they feel that they can't [14:11] fully heal from their loss until we [14:14] actually like investigate what really [14:16] happened. So, I wanted to know from your [14:17] standpoint, do you feel like that was [14:19] something that was missing after [14:20] October? [14:20] >> From from my from my point of view, I [14:22] can tell you uh the the counterattack [14:26] unit is a very very um boutique unit and [14:29] it's it's our family. [14:31] >> Yeah. [14:31] >> And they did everything for us. We went [14:35] a few days after the Shiva to Ber when [14:38] the place was still a military uh closed [14:42] place and we ourselves investigated [14:46] every soldier of Ruiz that that came [14:48] back to hear although we heard 13 [14:51] different versions because people see it [14:53] differently and of course the unit they [14:55] made their own inquiries and they [14:57] brought it to us. So I know the part of [15:01] Roi very well and I also I can say that [15:06] Roi chose to go. [15:08] >> Mhm. [15:09] >> And I think this is a little bit [15:10] different. [15:11] >> Mhm. [15:12] >> I can tell you that when they came with [15:15] the berry inquiry, [15:18] the state berry inquiry, [15:20] >> right? they came to our the families [15:22] before that it was published and uh I [15:26] don't remember the name of a very high [15:29] uh commander in the army [15:31] >> who came with a folder very nice folder [15:35] >> and he sat in our living room [15:39] >> and he wanted to start to tell us the [15:41] inquiry [15:43] and [15:45] his father my husband told him listen I [15:49] don't need you to Tell me what happened [15:50] in Berry. I know what happened in Ber. I [15:54] know exactly what happened with the [15:56] people who came without anyone calling [15:59] them and fought there. I don't need your [16:02] inquiry to tell me what happened there. [16:04] I want you to tell me what happened at [16:07] 6:30 in the morning. [16:09] >> Yeah. [16:10] >> When did the government, [16:11] >> when did the army, what did they do, [16:14] what happened there? If you don't have [16:16] the answers, I don't need you here in my [16:18] living room. [16:18] >> Yeah. And the answer was ah this inquiry [16:22] is not finished yet and so on and so on. [16:25] And of course until this day nobody came [16:28] to tell us. So it bothers me in two [16:30] ways. First of all because this is my [16:32] country. [16:33] >> Yeah. [16:33] >> And this is how you behave or how you [16:38] act in a normal [16:41] country in a democratic country that [16:45] that this is what happened to her. And [16:48] you have to inquire every bit and every [16:52] piece and every person and the persons [16:54] who have to pay the price should pay the [16:56] price and we have to know exactly what [17:00] happens so we know what to do and what [17:03] not to do. [17:04] >> Yeah. [17:05] >> And so first of all as as my democratic [17:08] country and as a country that it is [17:12] surrounded by enemies and we know that [17:14] this is not the last round. [17:17] We need to to learn. This is what [17:19] happens in in in every organization that [17:23] that honors ourselves, acts in a normal [17:28] professional way. [17:29] >> Yeah. And the second thing is that yes, [17:32] I think that people should take [17:34] responsibility [17:36] and not taking responsibility for what [17:39] my son did take and like my son hundreds [17:43] that just took responsibility [17:46] and said we have to do it. They were [17:49] brave, they were responsible, they were [17:51] leadersh [17:52] >> and I expect the leadership to be to act [17:56] in the same way. Do you think that [17:58] Netanyahu should be prime minister after [18:01] October 7th? can no [18:03] >> I think that Netanyahu [18:04] >> should he have stepped down or [18:06] >> I think that he that he should have [18:08] stepped down [18:09] one day after and say like in in in any [18:13] country any other country as we see [18:16] along the history [18:18] >> all of them should have stepped down and [18:20] say let's take the the responsibility [18:24] >> and of course now there is no way that [18:28] Netanyao can stay in the leadership [18:30] anyone that had that was there at the [18:32] 7th of October should have stepped down [18:34] 3 years ago. [18:35] >> Yeah. But now is the time. And what did [18:37] you think about when they were trying to [18:39] pass a law in the Knesset for it was [18:41] like a political probe into October 7th, [18:43] not a state commission of inquiry. They [18:45] wanted to do, you know, set the [18:47] appointments themselves and it was very [18:49] controversial. [18:50] >> The same route of running away of [18:52] responsibility of trying uh to set the [18:57] fire to anyone else but them. Mhm. [19:00] >> And this is not the way that I think a [19:03] leader should act. I've been uh [19:07] lecturing all my life about leadership. [19:09] I've been teaching [19:10] >> Yeah. [19:10] >> about leadership. And the first thing in [19:13] leadership is taking responsibility for [19:15] your actions. You are the leader and all [19:18] the other leaders, the ministers and of [19:21] course the leaders in the army. But most [19:23] of the generals in the army stepped [19:25] down. [19:26] >> Yeah, [19:26] >> they did. [19:27] So this is the first thing you you teach [19:32] about leadership. [19:34] >> Yeah. [19:34] >> And [19:35] >> and do you think after October 7th, you [19:38] know, the other members of Knesset who [19:41] also were were in the Knesset, now we're [19:43] seeing these new lists of people also on [19:45] Eisenkot's list, people who again were [19:47] in politicians. Do you think this is [19:49] what the country needs as well? Um [19:51] >> I think the country needs a new [19:53] leadership. I think the country needs a [19:55] leadership which is an authentic [19:57] leadership. A leadership that sees the [20:00] people. [20:00] >> Yeah. [20:01] >> What we have experienced in the last [20:03] years is a leadership that sees only [20:05] herself that works for herself and that [20:09] is interested on on staying and doing [20:12] anything that will uh keep them on their [20:15] chairs. And I think we need a leadership [20:19] that is interested in the people that [20:22] works for the people. This is what [20:23] leadership is about. This is what [20:25] democratic countries are about. That [20:28] they see the need of the people and they [20:30] work for the people and not the other [20:32] way around that the people work for [20:35] state or for the manona how do you call [20:37] it bureaucrats [20:39] >> bureaucracy [20:40] >> and and and it can it is doable. We were [20:44] there. Yeah, [20:45] >> it is doable once you have a prime [20:47] minister like Bennett which is [20:49] experienced and professional and you [20:52] place in the right positions and in the [20:55] manager positions the right people and [20:58] when I say right people is not the ones [21:00] that you like or that are as we know [21:03] diamonds because they are uh friends or [21:07] they give or they bring a lot of uh [21:10] lecture and a lot of stuff like that [21:13] >> but when I say the Right people I mean [21:15] the professional [21:17] capable with abilities people that can [21:20] work and bring results and work for the [21:24] people. This is what we need and we need [21:27] to heal our people. [21:29] >> We are a country in post trauma. I think [21:32] we have not seen the edge of the post [21:34] trauma and trauma that the people are [21:36] in. And I'm not talking only about us [21:38] the families who have lost. I'm talking [21:41] about the wounded in body and in soul. [21:45] I'm talking about families that were [21:47] that are not back in the houses yet. [21:50] Yeah. [21:50] >> Years out of their houses and the [21:52] missiles. We are in country that needs [21:55] to be healed, needs to have quiet, needs [21:58] to have leadership and government that [22:00] works for her and that takes care of [22:03] her. Gives the people the quiet and the [22:06] safety. the safety because when I talk [22:08] about leadership that is working for the [22:11] people Yeah. [22:11] >> I'm talking not only about education and [22:14] economics and so on but also about about [22:16] feeling safe in house [22:19] >> that people do not feel safe [22:21] >> and on the borders saying that we know [22:23] that nothing is going to be infiltrate [22:27] into our country. [22:28] >> Yes. [22:28] >> So I'd love to hear a bit about what you [22:30] plan on doing. I mean you have this [22:31] incredible push you said that keeps you [22:33] going um your son. [22:35] >> Yeah. Um so what what do you want to do [22:37] in the Knesset? What are some of the [22:39] things with your background and [22:40] experience? [22:40] >> So first of all of course after I said [22:42] that we need to three main things is [22:45] that as I said and of course everyone [22:48] goes into the army [22:50] >> which are two things that also Bennett [22:51] has promised to do. [22:53] >> Exactly. And also Bennett has promised [22:54] to limit the to [22:56] >> the term of the prime minister to eight [22:58] years. Yeah. Two terms. Two terms. So [23:00] first thing the first thing is for what [23:02] I feel is that we have to arrange the [23:05] chaos that we have there. Okay. [23:07] >> So any position that I will get to make [23:09] sure that we are back to being [23:12] professional and the right people are in [23:14] the right positions. Yeah. [23:16] >> And people that know. So if we're [23:18] talking about education, the people that [23:20] are going to be in the positions in [23:22] education are people that know what to [23:23] do. So of course the two fields that I [23:26] that my heart in is in and that I have [23:29] all the experience of all the years is [23:31] education [23:32] >> and municipalities [23:34] >> which means the minister of interior and [23:36] everything that works with [23:38] >> uh the local. [23:39] >> Yeah. And right now we don't really have [23:41] an a minister of interior. I mean we [23:43] have a temporary acting minister of [23:45] interior but we don't really have one [23:47] you know a set one after the party's [23:49] pulled out. That's right. And and what I [23:52] what I want to say about it is that you [23:54] know the municipalities [23:56] have proven leadership. They started [23:59] from the corona of course afterwards on [24:01] the 7th of October. And the 7th of [24:03] October I can tell you that there was no [24:07] government, nothing. Everything [24:09] collapsed. Not one office that worked. [24:14] Nothing [24:15] >> from the municipalities. [24:17] >> No, from the government in general. in [24:19] general of the government nothing [24:21] nothing nobody [24:24] >> the only place [24:25] >> that was there is the municipalities [24:28] >> oh wow [24:29] >> all the municipalities understood that [24:32] they are on their own they are on their [24:34] own and what happened there was a [24:37] miracle was a leadership they did not [24:40] ask any permission [24:42] >> my son had a sentence that says it's [24:45] better to say sorry than to ask for [24:47] permission M [24:49] >> meaning that I will do what I think to [24:52] act and if I have to give if I have to [24:55] be responsible I will take the [24:57] responsibility for what I did [24:59] >> right [24:59] >> so they that's what they did they saw [25:01] that they have people in danger they saw [25:03] that they have no not not enough [25:05] shelters not enough food not enough to [25:07] take care of the kids and they just went [25:10] in and I after I came up finished the [25:14] the Shiva because I was in the middle of [25:17] training general managers and they were [25:19] new in their um position and suddenly [25:22] they had to cope with it. [25:23] >> Yeah. [25:24] >> So I was all over Israel seeing the [25:27] municipalities with my own eyes, what [25:30] they did, how they took care of their [25:33] people when nobody else did it. So I [25:37] think that we know now that the mayors [25:41] and the general managers and the [25:44] municipality leadership, they are close. [25:46] They are the closest to their people. [25:48] They know what they need. They know the [25:50] community. They know how to communicate [25:53] with the community. They know how to [25:55] lead the community. And we have to let [25:58] them do it. We have to give them [26:00] responsibility. It's not what's [26:02] happening today. Today everything is so [26:04] concentrated [26:05] >> in the government [26:07] >> and the ministries [26:08] >> and that's right in the ministries and [26:09] same goes for the education and I think [26:12] that municipalities can do it and can do [26:15] it. Do you think I know Bennett's plan [26:17] for he has a whole education reform plan [26:20] especially focusing on the karedi [26:22] communities that they don't teach core [26:24] curriculum studies such as math English [26:26] things like that so do you think the [26:28] municipalities can get involved with [26:30] that would you want to [26:32] >> of course first of all I do think that [26:33] the ministry of education I I can tell [26:36] you that in the OCD countries 30% is [26:41] decided in the mun in the government and [26:43] 70% in municipalities and schools [26:46] in our country is exactly the other the [26:48] way other run 70% is decided in the mun [26:52] municipal in the ministry of education [26:54] and only 30% in municipality. [26:56] >> Wow. [26:56] >> So our uh program talks about 50% is [27:01] going to be in the government in the [27:03] ministry of education and that's okay [27:05] because they have to be the the [27:08] regulator. they have to decide about the [27:11] the curriculum of what we call uh Liba [27:16] not only in math and uh but also in the [27:19] in the values [27:20] >> right [27:20] >> in the in the values in the common [27:22] values that every Israeli child should [27:26] study and the other 50% 30% would go to [27:29] the municipalities as I said they know [27:32] the DNA of their of their city of the [27:34] [clears throat] and of their um [27:36] >> of their community [27:37] >> and their community and 20% [27:40] if we want the school managers to feel [27:43] that we are we believe in them and we [27:47] want the parents and the children to [27:48] believe in them we have to believe in [27:50] them we have to give them autonomy we [27:52] have to give them leadership we have to [27:54] give them [27:55] >> the flexibility to work we say 50% in [27:59] the decision of the government should [28:02] also be the one to to test and all the [28:06] and 50% to the municip principalities [28:08] and to the schools and it's fine after [28:10] we we have all the children studying the [28:13] same as the basic and the values and no [28:17] school that teaches that we will die and [28:20] not draft into the to the army and anti [28:24] Zionism values they will not get a [28:27] shekel [28:27] >> no state funding yeah that's [28:29] >> no state funding and I can tell you that [28:31] a school that has no state funding it [28:33] cannot stay cannot can function [28:36] >> so yes we're talking And I think this is [28:38] also very good because we're we're going [28:42] to give the their own schools [28:45] >> and structure kind of [28:47] >> structure that is exactly built for [28:50] them. [28:50] >> Yeah. [28:50] >> And as when I [28:51] >> we're not trying to change [28:53] >> not trying to change them not trying to [28:55] bring them to be [28:57] or non stay ultra orthodox. You have [29:01] your orthodox schools, but they are [29:04] orthodox government schools that teach [29:07] the values of meilata [29:10] of democratic zionistic country that [29:13] teach math and English because we want [29:16] them to be part of the [29:18] >> people. We want them to be part of the [29:20] community and we want them to be able to [29:23] be part of the working community, right? [29:26] >> For them, it's good for everyone. So [29:29] this is what we are. [29:31] >> And I did want to just touch on, you [29:32] know, a lot of we're talking a lot about [29:34] theim, but just in general in Israel in [29:36] the education system, it's always known [29:38] that there's like, you know, a teacher [29:40] shortage. I'm sure if you were a [29:42] teacher, you know what it's like. [29:44] There's every year like um you know, is [29:46] there going to be a strike because of [29:48] the lack of the lack of teachers, lack [29:49] of funding for the teachers? Do you have [29:52] any plan in order to address that as [29:54] well? Yes, I think I can tell you that [29:56] in the last two years that we've been [29:58] working on the education plan, I've met [30:02] hundreds of teachers, principals, and [30:06] people that work in the field. Yeah. [30:08] >> So, we don't bring a plan that, you [30:10] know, is people that sit there up in the [30:12] buildings and is has no connection to [30:15] what's happening in the field. [30:17] >> Yeah. [snorts] And the bas the main [30:20] things that I've heard are first that [30:23] the teachers and the principles want [30:26] that to to feel that we believe in them [30:29] >> that they have trust that they have a [30:31] back. [30:32] >> Yeah. [30:32] >> That you back them because today [30:34] teachers that confront and if your [30:36] mother is a teacher you know confront [30:38] violence from students or from parents [30:40] nobody backs them. They bring the [30:42] students back to school. They feel that [30:44] we we disrespect them. Exactly. So they [30:47] want respect, they want us, they want [30:49] trust, they want backing [30:51] >> and as I said to if if we give them only [30:55] these terms and also physical terms. [30:58] >> Yeah. [30:59] >> Physical terms. A teacher today as you [31:01] know he comes into the school and runs [31:04] with a bag for with a [31:06] >> Yeah. Literally running. [31:08] >> Literally running. [31:08] >> Like you said there are students you [31:10] know like violent students, large [31:12] classrooms teachers not enough. So one [31:15] of our uh points in our plan of the [31:18] education is changing the way that the [31:22] the structure of funding. We are going [31:25] to change the way the budget is given to [31:27] the schools. M [31:28] >> I'm not going to go into it because it's [31:30] complicated but but it means [31:33] >> that in the flexibility [31:36] and in the tools and in the leadership [31:40] that the principles and the [31:42] municipalities will get they can also um [31:46] divide the classes in a different way. [31:49] Uh it's not the same structure of [31:51] classes. So I we believe that all these [31:55] things and of course raising the salary [31:59] and raising the raising the salary for [32:02] >> raising the salary. Yes. We we looked up [32:04] at what we can promise and one thing we [32:08] said and we are standing behind it [32:10] >> is that the teacher that is the in the [32:14] beginning of the career [32:16] >> will earn 12,000 shekels as they start [32:20] >> which this is now a salary that the [32:22] teacher can get when she's five years or [32:25] he is five years in and after finishing [32:27] you know some studies and so as a [32:30] beginning salary [32:31] >> and still I'm saying and insisting on [32:34] saying that this is not what's going to [32:36] solve the problem. If it will not come [32:38] with all the other points that I've said [32:42] uh even if we if we can manage to bring [32:45] some new teachers they will not survive. [32:48] Teachers do not survive the the last uh [32:51] OECD um [32:53] >> yeah they they started and they quit. [32:55] >> Five years is the top that they last. So [32:58] we also have a plan of how to work [33:01] together with new teachers so they [33:03] laugh. [33:03] >> Wow. It's so important. [33:04] >> Yeah. Very. I I believe that everything [33:07] starts. [33:08] >> Yeah. With the education. Definitely. [33:10] >> Definitely. [33:11] >> I guess just to wrap up, is there [33:13] anything else you feel that you know [33:15] after October 7th or on the anniversary [33:18] of October 7th is very important for you [33:20] to you know say or voice or or do. First [33:25] of all, um it's it's important for me to [33:27] say that I came from the for the [33:30] youngest generation. I feel that I'm in [33:32] duty now for a few years so I can leave [33:37] an infrastructure. [33:39] >> Yeah. [33:39] >> For the younger generation to get into [33:42] the leadership and lead this country. I [33:45] think these young people have shown [33:48] >> Yeah. [33:48] >> on the 7th of October that they can do [33:51] it. They are the the first band. They [33:53] are the brave ones. They they they shown [33:55] bravery and leadership and [33:57] responsibility and it's very important [34:00] for me to tell them that this is their [34:04] country now and they have [34:06] >> to understand that we are here only to [34:08] leave an infrastructure that can give [34:11] them the the the start to lead this [34:13] country. This is what I came for and I [34:16] want to say that I do believe that this [34:18] is not [34:20] gal as we say [34:22] >> it's not like said in Now I have seen on [34:25] the 7th of October the people of our [34:28] country. We have the best people in the [34:32] world. And I think that we can all go [34:35] back to where we were together, fighting [34:38] together and loving together and working [34:41] together and building this country [34:43] together and all the communities to come [34:44] together. This is what he believed in. [34:47] This is what he was brought in his house [34:49] and the values and I believe that we can [34:52] [music] do it and I believe that people [34:55] should go out and vote. [34:57] >> Yeah. [34:58] >> And these elections are what can change [35:01] things. [music] [35:01] >> These elections are are crucial. [35:04] >> Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Mika. [35:05] >> Thank you. Thank you very much.
