Transcript [00:01] Shalom. [00:02] >> Shalom. G. [00:03] >> What's up, bro? [00:05] >> I'm just chilling, bro. What's up with [00:06] you? [00:07] >> Oh, I'm great. Are you from Israel? [00:10] >> I am guilty of charged. [00:12] >> Yes. [00:13] >> Why is that a guilt? What? [00:15] >> Yeah. It's not guilty, bro. It's not [00:16] guilty. It's proud. [00:18] >> Yeah. What's your stance on like the [00:19] conflict? [00:21] >> Um, mainly that we're winning. [00:26] >> I guess more so on like why it started. [00:29] Well, [00:30] >> that's that's easy. So, like for 2,000 [00:32] years when people tried to murder my [00:35] children, we couldn't do anything. This [00:38] time around, we have an army that [00:40] absolutely [00:42] eliminates [00:44] anyone that seeks to murder my children. [00:47] I thank God. [00:49] >> I Yeah. Okay. Who do you think is more [00:52] indigenous? [00:53] What a weird question for for a brown [00:56] because you're a brown man living in the [00:58] UK. [01:00] >> I don't know. I don't live here. I'm [01:01] just here on a on a visa. [01:03] >> Okay. But to answer the question, the [01:05] Jews. [01:07] >> I agree. Because the people of Israel [01:09] have been around that area of land for [01:11] like 3,000 years. The people that are [01:13] nowadays called Palestinians been there [01:15] for like what 2.3 2.4ish. [01:19] >> Not even. They they most of them came [01:21] more recently. But there's been Arabs in [01:24] the land really for 1400 years. Although [01:27] there were like Nabotans and a few other [01:28] people that made incursions earlier than [01:30] that. But yeah, [01:31] >> but they've been living in unity for [01:32] over like for a long time. Why has it [01:34] been recently that they're not kind of [01:36] compatible? [01:37] >> There there wasn't unity. We were we [01:39] were persecuted and put to the sword. We [01:41] were slaughtered in 1517. We were [01:42] slaughtered in 1834. We were slaughtered [01:44] in 1829. [01:45] >> So it's been always Like how do [01:47] you solve that though? Like if it's [01:49] >> so you don't all we do is we build up an [01:52] army so when they come to kill us we can [01:54] withstand. We are the only minority in [01:56] the Middle East [01:58] >> that isn't Muslim that has a nation. [02:02] >> Sure. But when there's like lack of [02:04] unity for over a thousand years like [02:07] there has to be like a like a strict [02:09] resolution that you have to come up [02:10] with. [02:10] >> So the reason I think there is perpetual [02:14] conflict in the Middle East is Islam. [02:19] Okay. But the people Israel has existed [02:21] before Islam is even right. Am I? [02:23] >> Yes. Yeah. No. No. Absolutely. Yes. [02:26] >> So like and I'm guessing there still was [02:28] conflict at that land of like at that [02:30] land. So like [02:31] >> Yes. But when you contrast when you [02:32] contrast conflict and this I mean you [02:35] basically I'm assuming you're from a [02:37] Muslim background. Is that an incorrect [02:39] assumption of mine? [02:40] >> That would be incorrect. [02:42] >> Okay. So apologies. What's what's your [02:43] just so I can help structure my [02:45] argument. What's your background if you [02:47] don't mind sharing? [02:49] >> Like ethnically or like religiously? [02:51] >> Both. Um, both would be cool. [02:54] >> Sure. I'm half Hispanic, half Turkish. [02:56] And then [02:57] >> So the Turkish side might be a little [02:59] bit Muslim or [03:02] >> uh I mean my family aren't. So like [03:06] not really. [03:08] >> You're more of an Turk than a nerd one. [03:11] >> I'd say I'm more I was born in the [03:13] States, so I don't really have any kind [03:14] of relation to Turkey. They never even [03:16] been. So like I wasn't raised up in a [03:18] Islamic household if that's what you're [03:20] asking. [03:21] >> Uh yeah. So [03:23] >> but as an example, the reason I ask [03:24] these questions is when the Ottomans, [03:27] the Turks conquered the land in 1517. [03:30] They slaughtered the Jews. They were [03:32] fighting the Mamluks [03:34] >> and the Mamluks also slaughtered the [03:35] Jews. [03:36] >> So poor old Jews. We're just sitting [03:38] there eating our kala, eating our locks [03:40] and bagel, minding our own business. And [03:43] along come two different Muslim armies [03:45] that are fighting each other and for [03:46] some reason we catch strays. This is um [03:49] this is my people's history. And so [03:51] >> sure I I think [03:52] >> I have a proposition, right? Let's say [03:55] we [03:57] >> make you the 51st state. [03:59] >> Would that be a better kind of like [04:01] resolution to that to that entire [04:03] conflict? So like get rid of Israel, get [04:05] rid of Palestine, get rid of both, [04:06] right? And then just make it the first [04:08] 51st state. [04:09] >> I know. See, I I think I I've got [04:11] children and I thank the creator. I'm a [04:14] religious guy. I thank the creator every [04:16] single day that there is an army and a [04:20] people that will move mountains to keep [04:22] my children alive. I don't trust the [04:24] American government would have the same [04:26] interests. [04:27] >> But but the Americans are like your [04:29] biggest ally [04:32] >> at the minute. Yes. Look at Mandani in [04:34] New York. things can change on the drop [04:36] of a dime in [04:38] >> Mani is not that influential that he's [04:40] going to change an entire country. [04:41] >> I know. Absolutely. No, no. So, I [04:43] completely agree. Mani is [04:47] a demonstration that the politics of a [04:50] nation can change very quickly and move [04:51] to a very hostile. [04:53] >> Sure. [04:53] >> And I think America is more hostile to [04:56] um Israel than it's ever been since the [04:58] creation of Israel. [05:00] >> The people for sure. Yeah. [05:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. And the people elect the [05:03] governments. Sure. Yeah. Also, I don't [05:06] know really about Momani's kind of [05:08] stances on things, but I've se he seems [05:10] pretty liberal and progressive. He seems [05:11] like he's [05:12] >> Oh, he's super liberal, super [05:13] progressive, but unfortunately, most of [05:15] the progressives are super super [05:17] anti-Israel. [05:19] >> Do you The more progressive the [05:20] government, the more they hate Israel. [05:21] Now, there's only one Jewish state in [05:23] the world, [05:24] >> and the liberals don't really the [05:26] progressives don't really like us that [05:28] much. [05:29] >> Sure. Yeah. I mean, when I look at [05:30] Israel and Palestine, it's like me [05:32] looking at like [05:34] Russia and Ukraine. I have no like kind [05:35] of like relation to both countries. So, [05:38] like I can't really hold a stand. [05:39] >> I think that's the most sensible [05:41] position I've heard anyone on this [05:42] uphold. And it's it's not it's not [05:46] it's not coping out. It's not sitting on [05:48] the fence. It's recognizing there's huge [05:50] complexity here. [05:52] >> You're not invested. It's in like I [05:54] create videos and every video I create [05:58] is with my biases. I don't put out [06:01] anti-Israel content and everyone that's [06:04] creating content on the other side, [06:06] every news report you see, every Tik Tok [06:08] you watch is somebody just like me with [06:11] biases who filters the news first, [06:14] repackages it and sells it to the west. [06:16] I live here. One of the videos I'm [06:17] making at the moment example is this. [06:20] It's the I don't know if you can see [06:21] this mansions of Palestine. Most people [06:24] don't imagine that the Pal That's one of [06:27] my f Look at that. This is Let's see if [06:28] we can get that. That's [06:31] >> That's a That's a mansion in the West [06:33] Bank. A Palestinian mansion. Most people [06:35] imagine the Palestinians riding around [06:38] on donkeys and living in huts. I live [06:40] here. [06:40] >> The West Bank has palaces. [06:42] >> Loads and lo like Google Tuskm [06:46] sorry. [06:49] These are just villages, towns filled [06:51] with mansions as far as the I can see. I [06:54] drive Route 60, which cuts through from [06:56] the top of the West Bank to the south. [06:58] We call it Jude and Samaria. And all you [07:00] see are Palestinian cars on there, G [07:02] Wagons, Mercedes Gem, G-Class, [07:05] BMWs, Jeep Rubicons, Range Rovers. And [07:09] in the West, they imagine that the [07:12] Palestinians are driving donkeys and [07:15] living dirt poor existence. The [07:17] Palestinians are the biggest recipients [07:18] of aid in the world. Now, if I make a [07:21] video, I'm only showing you half the SAR [07:23] as well. I'm just showing you the I'm [07:25] not showing you the guy in the donkey. [07:26] I'm showing you the guy in the G Wagon [07:28] and who lives in the big house. [07:29] >> Yeah. I I personally thought the West [07:31] Bank was completely like obliterated and [07:33] there was like nothing there. [07:34] >> No, no, that's Gaza. That's Gaza. Gaza. [07:36] So, Gaza and Gaza, there's serious [07:38] destruction there. Places like Rafa. So, [07:40] according to the UN, who I don't trust, [07:42] 70 to 80% of the buildings have been [07:44] damaged or destroyed. So, Gaza is [07:46] different. The West Bank is north of [07:48] Gaza and there that's where you have the [07:52] largest Palestinian population, [07:54] >> right? [07:55] >> And they live a very good life. [07:58] >> I feel like biased, but you can you're [08:00] also still like object you can still [08:02] objectively like uh condemn things, [08:04] right? Do you do you think anything that [08:06] came from the IDF side has been negative [08:08] in any capacity? [08:10] >> I mean, it's a war definitely in a war [08:12] bad things happen. there there is no war [08:14] that's ever been fought where bad things [08:15] haven't been perpetrated by both sides [08:18] if both sides are fighting. [08:20] >> Um Israel is actively investigating a [08:22] number of things I would question. Um [08:25] now it's investigating them because [08:27] Israel has a strict code of conduct and [08:30] if a soldier or a brigade or a battalion [08:35] even has been found to be in violation [08:38] of those rules of um conduct [08:41] >> as rules of engagement. they will be [08:42] investigated and if there have been [08:44] criminal acts they will be jailed. [08:47] Most of the instances I believe can be [08:49] explained [08:51] away by the fog of war and mistakes. So [08:54] for instance when the world's um food [08:57] kitchen was hit [08:59] >> um and aid workers were killed. [09:01] >> That that's a tragedy. That's tragic. [09:03] They were there to help people and they [09:04] were killed. They didn't coordinate with [09:07] the IDF that they were going to have [09:08] armed guards accompanying them. So, [09:11] you've got a drone operator, you've got [09:12] the IDF, they spot guys on the vans with [09:16] machine guns. There's been no [09:18] coordinations. They reach out and for 30 [09:20] minutes they tried to contact the the [09:23] World Food Kitchen. Um, and then when [09:25] they hear nothing back, they strike the [09:28] convoy, assuming it's Hamas. Tragic. [09:30] They weren't Hamas. They were security [09:32] guards that have been paid to prevent [09:34] the trucks from getting looted. [09:36] >> Yeah. Yeah, [09:36] >> but that's an example of something where [09:39] you could condemn it, but then when it's [09:40] investigated, [09:42] >> it's just a tragedy. It's [09:44] >> wasn't intentional, which happens in [09:47] war. If there were, and I'm sure there [09:49] have been intentional deaths because any [09:51] military that's got people fighting on [09:54] the ground, fighting an enemy, who've [09:57] witnessed a massacre like October the [09:58] 7th, you're going to get people who have [10:02] agendas who are hurt and want to [10:06] >> uh want to take revenge. And that's [10:07] going to I'm absolutely sure in an army [10:11] >> like Israel's there will be individuals [10:13] who violated the code of conduct. if [10:15] they're f to I hope they go to jail and [10:17] I would condemn those actions. [10:20] >> That's a sensible kind of like biased [10:21] position to have. I do have a question [10:23] that's relating to the Israeli [10:24] government or Israel as a whole. Uh it's [10:26] sort of not related to Palestine though. [10:28] So post 911 the response the America [10:32] took which is invading Iraq as a [10:34] response because they thought based on [10:36] intel that Saddam Hussein was connected [10:38] to al-Qaeda in some capacity which was [10:40] not true and also they thought there was [10:42] like nuclear warheads in the country. Uh [10:45] a lot of people assume that that intel [10:47] was provided by Israel or Israel was [10:49] like associated in in some way. Uh do [10:52] you have any like information about [10:54] that? [10:55] >> No. So Israel is not involved. People [10:58] get it so twisted. Um it's not the tail [11:02] that wacks the dog. [11:04] Um and America is the global hedgeimony. [11:08] It's the most powerful nation on the [11:10] planet. It has one of, if not the best [11:14] int Well, it has the best intelligence [11:16] agency in the world. We like to think [11:17] Mossad is the best, but in reality, the [11:19] CIA is probably a little bit better than [11:21] us. [11:22] >> Yeah, probably. [11:22] >> Um, and [11:25] anything America does, America does for [11:28] itself. [11:30] America does not fight wars for Israel. [11:33] America is not manipulated [11:35] and deceived by Israel. America is the [11:39] most intelligent and the most powerful [11:42] nation on this planet. And if America [11:45] goes to war in Iraq following the Twin [11:47] Towers, it's because America wants to go [11:50] to war. Whether it be for oil or for [11:52] some other reason, [11:54] >> right? That's I guess my my conclusion [11:56] is I feel like Bush used 911 as an [11:58] excuse to just invade Iraq for no [12:00] reason. Because if you look at it after [12:01] everything has concluded, there was no [12:03] reason to go there at all. So that was [12:06] kind of like my Yeah. But a lot of [12:08] people associate Israel to that kind of [12:10] like situation and I just don't see [12:12] where that would [12:13] >> it's it's not something new. Jew Jews [12:17] have been blamed for everything since [12:19] the Jews have existed. And Israel is the [12:22] Jewish state. And so if you don't like [12:25] capitalism, you blame the Jews for [12:27] communism. If you don't like communism, [12:29] you blame the Jews for capitalism. If [12:31] you you can literally you can trace the [12:34] history. Yeah. [12:35] >> No, it goes all [12:38] >> Why do you think Jews are targeted more [12:39] than anyone else? Like why [12:40] >> my my truthful answer is the blame is [12:43] predominantly coming from nations that [12:45] were Christian or Muslim. And the Jews [12:50] have historical anti-semitism over many [12:52] years where we reject their religions. [12:55] We reject Jesus as the son of God and we [12:57] reject Muhammad as Allah as a messenger [13:00] of God. [13:02] And both of these religions kind of [13:04] depend on the Jews accepting and [13:06] validating their beliefs. And as a [13:08] consequence, we've been tolerated in [13:11] their nations but despised and blamed. [13:14] We've been banned from certain [13:16] professions and so we were forced into [13:18] others like um lending money and as a [13:21] consequence we were despised. So if you [13:23] were a British noble and you had a large [13:27] debt with a local Jewish um financia in [13:30] the medieval period, if you didn't want [13:32] to pay your debt, you start a pogram, [13:35] you kill the Jews, you get the locals [13:36] and you don't have to pay your money. [13:38] And so there are many many incentives [13:40] for people to have hated Jews over the [13:42] years. And I think that just builds up [13:44] and I think it is pervasive in Western [13:46] society. And I think the reason why [13:48] Israel has received so much attention [13:51] and accused of genocide at a time when [13:54] there's a genuine genuine far bloodier [13:58] genocide going on in somewhere like [13:59] Sudan where you have millions of people [14:02] entering a real famine, millions of [14:04] people displaced and nobody could even [14:08] tell you who's fighting in Sudan. I [14:10] speak to people all the time. Most [14:11] people can't even tell me which [14:13] continent Saddan's in. Never minding [14:15] him. [14:15] >> Genocide is happening in Sudan even. Uh [14:19] >> and so this is and I think it's because [14:23] the Jews, the reason there's so much [14:24] attention on Israel is the Jews. The [14:27] Jews. The Jews. The Jews. And so [14:30] it sounds like a lazy answer, but I [14:32] think it's the only thing that explains [14:35] the dis disproportionate interest on [14:39] this one nation. If you look on the [14:40] internet today, we're getting blamed for [14:42] everything. were blamed for pornography. [14:45] Like one of my favorite ones is say [14:46] you're the Jews behind porn pornography. [14:48] Okay, how MindGeek? Okay, mind. What [14:50] about MineGeek? Well, a company called [14:52] Ethical Capital Partners acquired it. [14:54] And there's a guy called Rabbi Solomon [14:56] who works there. Okay, what's his job? [14:58] He's the compliance I think council. And [15:03] so who's his bod? His boss is Fim [15:04] Mansour. Who is his boss? Roco Millro, I [15:08] think he's called. Muslim and a [15:10] Christian behind it. Because there's one [15:12] Jew in the company. Now the Jews are [15:13] behind pornography because there's one [15:15] Jew because there were Jews active in [15:17] communism. Kl Mars the Jews are behind [15:19] communism because there's one like [15:22] literally you point to anything people [15:24] don't like there's a Jew behind it. ISIS [15:27] apparently is a Jewish thing. It stands [15:29] for the Israel secret intelligence [15:31] service according to the internet. [15:34] >> But what okay going back on my [15:36] proposition which is making it the first [15:38] first 51st state. My reasoning for that [15:41] is it I feel like if it was governed by [15:43] America, they would have the capacity to [15:47] like I guess limit both sides or even [15:50] like integrate them in in some way. But [15:53] the reason I say that is because I have [15:54] no stance on both sides and I feel like [15:56] >> the best kind of solution would be to [15:58] like present another third party that [16:00] has more power that can govern both. So, [16:03] so my personal feelings, and I do I [16:04] think it's a sensible suggestion in that [16:06] sentence, but my personal feeling is for [16:09] 2,000 years, we've lived under others as [16:12] Jews, and we've not had [16:13] self-determination. [16:15] And to use an Arabic term, kalas, [16:18] enough. I don't want that anymore. [16:20] >> I don't want to be dependent on a more [16:23] powerful nation or ruler to keep my [16:26] children safe. [16:27] >> I want to be the one that keeps them [16:29] safe. you'd rather go into an alliance [16:30] with them rather than be ruled by them. [16:32] >> But I also it doesn't mean I want ill [16:34] for the the Arabs. I want to coexist [16:35] with the Arabs here. I wonder in Israel [16:38] there's over 2 million Arabs that have [16:39] complete equality. In the Palestinian [16:41] territories, there's not one Jew. The [16:43] Jews are banned from citizenship. [16:45] >> And so I want Israel to pre um to [16:48] prevail. I want Israel to win. And I [16:50] want all the people in this land to [16:52] thrive. I want for my children. I want [16:55] for my neighbors children the same [16:58] opportunities. [16:59] >> Right. Would you ever do you think [17:00] Israel is ever going to win over the [17:02] love of its neighboring countries for [17:04] like the Arabic countries that are right [17:06] next to it? [17:07] >> Maybe not the love but the respect. [17:11] >> I mean with the UAE uh you guys already [17:15] have like some form of like a a pact or [17:17] something like that. [17:17] >> It's it's really interesting. So when [17:19] you speak so I speak to a lot of our [17:21] like so I'm a content creator I speak to [17:23] thousands and thousands of people and [17:25] the sentiments of the governments are [17:27] not always the sentiments of the people [17:30] and so for instance but I would say of [17:32] all the nations we've made peace with [17:34] the Emiratis [17:37] are the most sincere in that [17:40] relationship and I think it's because it [17:42] comes from the top down and it's a very [17:45] it's a system that is built on obedience [17:49] and honor, dignity and respect of the [17:51] ruling family and they kind of tow the [17:55] party line. You go somewhere like Egypt [17:58] and there may be a formal peace treaty [18:01] but every single Egyptian that I speak [18:03] to would on the drop of a dime rush over [18:07] the border and murder as many Jews as [18:10] >> they made a peace treaty with like other [18:11] countries like Qatar or like any of the [18:13] other ones. [18:14] >> So So Qatar is very hostile. I think if [18:18] Saudi fell in line and Saudi had genuine [18:20] peace and it came from NBS and the [18:22] ruling family, I think other nations [18:24] could follow. [18:25] >> No, not yet, not formally. And I he was [18:28] going to and there was huge pressure and [18:30] then post October 7th particularly [18:32] Israel's [18:35] >> like unbelievable victories over Iran [18:40] there's less of an incentive [18:42] ironically because we were so effective [18:45] at defeating Iran militarily. [18:48] Saudi like Iran's not a threat. [18:51] >> There's less of an incentive for us to [18:52] make peace with the Israelis now. And [18:55] actually we're a little bit worried that [18:56] Israel is so powerful they can just fly [18:59] over tan and do what they want over tan. [19:02] I think so the Saudis have pulled away. [19:04] >> But also I wouldn't call it Israeli v [19:06] victories. I would call it American [19:08] victory because Americans are literally [19:10] the ones you know. [19:11] >> No. So we flew way more we we flew at [19:13] the moment. Yes. But in the actual [19:14] height of the war it was predominantly [19:16] Israeli intelligence. It was hundreds we [19:19] had 200 planes fly over there. We had [19:21] more planes flying over. We hit more [19:22] targets. We'd already removed all of [19:25] their air defenses. It was a joint [19:27] operation. The technology we're using is [19:29] American, but that also comes with [19:31] strings attached. [19:32] >> Uh yeah, I'm kind of ignorant on this. [19:35] So, if you can educate me, but like how [19:37] does Lebanon come into all of this? [19:38] Because I've seen there's a war between [19:39] Israel and Lebanon. [19:40] >> Iran pays a bit not between Lebanon, [19:43] between Hezbollah. [19:45] >> So, Lebanon is a divided country. It's [19:48] divided into three large communities. I [19:50] mean, there's others. the smaller [19:51] communities like the Drews, but you have [19:53] the Shia, the Sunni, and the the [19:56] Christians, [19:57] >> the particularly Marinate, [20:00] and they have a very fragile balance. [20:03] And over the last two to three decades, [20:06] Kisbullah and the Shia have become the [20:08] largest or the most dominant faction [20:12] within Lebanese politics. And it was [20:15] previously Christian. It was a majority [20:17] Christian country. And so now it's [20:19] become Shia and Iran have basically [20:22] occupied Lebanon and they give a billion [20:25] dollars tobah every year and used as a [20:30] deterrent to prevent Israel from [20:32] attacking Iran. Sobah were like the [20:35] guard dogs. If Israel did anything with [20:37] Iran, they would set on us who had [20:40] hundreds of thousands of missiles [20:42] pointing at Tel Aviv, pointing at [20:45] Jerusalem, pointing at my family. And so [20:48] Israel spent over a decade [20:51] >> with building up a a phenomenal [20:56] um offensive like defensive but [20:59] offensive strategy to eliminate the the [21:02] threat. And so once Hamas attacked on [21:06] October the 7th, the next day attacked [21:08] and that gave Israel the president to [21:10] respond, a precedent to respond and they [21:14] took out hundreds of thousands of their [21:17] missile, a huge amount of their missile [21:19] supply in the pager operation. They took [21:22] out the top fighters ofah [21:27] and then they continued and followed [21:30] that up by moving into southern Lebanon [21:35] and removing the threat on the border. [21:37] And so Israel's objective in all of this [21:40] is preventing Hezbollah from attacking [21:42] on behalf of Iran, which was the [21:44] objective. And so Israel has been [21:47] focused on removing infrastructure south [21:50] of the Leani. Now, Kaspollah were not [21:52] supposed to be south of the Latania, [21:53] which is a river. They're in violation [21:55] of a ceasefire and an agreement with the [21:58] United Nations. And as a consequence, [22:00] Israel is now acting and removing the [22:02] the threat. So, that's that's Lebanon. [22:05] >> Interesting. That's how it's linked. [22:07] Okay, that makes sense. Well, yeah, it [22:09] was really nice talking, [22:11] >> bro. And I apologies apologies about my [22:13] at the beginning. I I'm so defensive on [22:15] here. I'm not used to people who have a [22:17] neutral stance. So, you said you're an [22:20] atheist. I won't say God bless, but just [22:22] blessings, bro. I appreciate you. Have a [22:24] great day. Have a good day. Goodbye.
