Transcript [00:04] Three for [00:26] Alon. Welcome in our show and thank you [00:28] for coming here. We appreciate. Thanks [00:30] very much. [00:30] >> Thank you. [00:31] >> It has been 3 years since thousands of [00:34] Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel and [00:37] they carried out this massive bloodbath [00:39] that we also talk about a lot in this [00:41] studio. Now you are here in Netherlands [00:43] to tell your story about the day. Why do [00:45] you feel it's so important to to share [00:48] what you went through on the 7th of [00:49] October in 23? [00:51] >> I want people to hear our story and from [00:55] firsthand. [00:56] >> Mhm. because there are many stories [00:58] going on about October 7th that didn't [01:02] even happen [01:04] and I wish it didn't but it did. [01:07] >> And it's very meaningful for me to be [01:10] here and tell our story and tell about [01:13] my son. [01:13] >> Mhm. [01:14] >> I want everyone to know and remember us [01:18] and remember all the people that were [01:21] brutally murdered that day in Karaza and [01:24] all over Israel. Is it difficult for you [01:26] to talk about this day? [01:28] >> It's not easy, but I know how important [01:31] it is. So that's why I'm here. [01:33] >> That's why you do it. What about you [01:34] alone? [01:35] >> Um for me other side than the the fact [01:38] that it's important for people to hear [01:40] like in the world. [01:42] >> Uh for me it's almost therapeutic [01:45] >> like I I see it as something that helps [01:49] like it helped me. [01:50] >> It helps you to cope with the trauma. [01:52] >> Yeah, it does. Yeah, [01:54] >> it was in a way. [01:55] >> In a way. Yeah. So, but thank you for [01:57] coming here. You you both lived in [01:59] Kibutar Aza. [02:01] >> It's very close to the Gaza border. Uh [02:04] you lost a tremendous uh thing on that [02:08] day. And now Khanita, your son, Aviv, he [02:11] was a first responder and that was on [02:14] the 7th of October in the morning very [02:16] early when the terrorist entered a Aza. [02:20] How do you think back about your son [02:21] Aiv? [02:24] >> He was a wonderful guy. [02:26] >> He loved everyone. He really did. [02:30] He was so kind to everyone. [02:33] He was kind of a leader. [02:35] >> Mhm. [02:36] >> And he made lots of he had lots of [02:39] friends, all kinds of friends. And we [02:43] meet them now and they come to comfort [02:46] and do things for his memory. So, [02:52] >> how old was he when he [02:53] >> was 33 years old? He was married. He had [02:56] two small kids, [02:59] >> my grandchildren, Omir and Rani, and Ki, [03:03] his wife. [03:04] And he insisted to live in Karaza. [03:08] Ki didn't want to live in Karaza. She [03:11] was afraid. She didn't want to raise her [03:14] kids there. And he insisted [03:16] >> he wanted to live there. He wanted to [03:18] live only there. They built a beautiful [03:21] house there [03:22] >> and just entered it [03:25] >> about a year before. [03:27] >> Mhm. [03:28] >> October the 7th and [03:32] started being a family and raising their [03:35] two lovely kids, [03:38] >> children. Yeah. And they haven't had an [03:40] agreement that every time the bomb [03:43] starts, we we lived about 20 years with [03:46] bombing from Gaza. [03:48] >> So they had an agreement that every time [03:50] the bomb starts, they just go away to [03:55] friends or family and stay away from the [03:58] area until it's over and they come back. [04:03] And Viv [04:05] asked and talked to many of his friends, [04:08] come back, live in Karaza. We have great [04:10] life here. He tried to convince his [04:13] brother and [04:15] sister-in-law as well. [04:17] >> To come to Karaza because he loved the [04:20] life there. [04:21] >> It was both like a great place to live, [04:24] but it was also very dangerous. [04:26] >> That's right. [04:27] >> Proven. [04:28] >> He was raised there. My two kids, I [04:30] raised them there, lived there for 31 [04:34] years. [04:35] >> And he had lots of friends and he loved [04:39] >> Mhm. [04:40] >> to live there. He loved the community [04:42] >> in the place even though even though it [04:45] was dangerous. [04:46] >> Yeah. I want to come back of course to [04:48] your story later. But Alon, you were [04:50] born and raised in right? [04:52] >> Yes, I was. [04:53] >> So, how was the place for you? Um, for [04:56] me I actually like you talked about the [04:59] threats with the with all the Kasami and [05:02] Kushot with all the bomb rockets from [05:04] Gaza [05:06] like I don't remember a time where that [05:08] wasn't happening like I was born into it [05:12] >> and to me that was like the usual thing [05:16] >> but other than that living in Farza for [05:19] me was like heaven. M [05:21] >> I before October 7th I was very strong [05:24] on the opinion that I will get back to [05:28] the kibuts with a wife and a family and [05:31] will raise my kids. [05:32] >> This was your place. [05:33] >> Yeah. Because I had such a great [05:35] childhood over there. [05:37] >> Yeah. So who did you lose on the 7th of [05:39] October? Um, I mean like I lost a lot of [05:42] people, but uh two of uh really of my [05:45] closest friends uh that were actually my [05:48] neighbors in the young generation [05:51] neighborhood, [05:52] >> Neta Epstein and Yuval Buum. [05:56] Yeah, they they were there that day. Not [06:00] like me. I was lucky. [06:01] >> Mhm. [06:02] >> Yeah. I lost. [06:03] >> But if you think about your friends, who [06:04] were they? Why why were they friends to [06:07] you? Um in the kibuts it's um it's [06:10] almost not like you don't choose your [06:13] friends. [06:14] >> It's you are born to a certain group and [06:18] all the kids your age uh you for life we [06:22] still are the group that we started like [06:25] as just little kids. [06:27] >> It's like family. [06:28] >> Yeah. It's like family. There my [06:30] brothers and sister whether I choose it [06:32] or not. Uh we are bound together. [06:35] >> Mhm. [06:36] So yeah, they I mean like Neta was my [06:40] age which mean like my brother [06:43] >> and Yuval he was a year younger than me. [06:48] Uh but our like age groups we got really [06:52] close together. [06:53] >> Mhm. [06:55] >> Yeah. I mean like Neta was just got [06:58] released from the army and [07:00] >> he was starting to work in the kibuts in [07:02] in like the [07:05] >> like gardening and he really loved it. [07:07] He developed like a full belly and [07:11] >> and Uvual and like he was really happy [07:15] >> and Uval was [07:18] like he was a very talented musician [07:21] also like a music teacher. [07:24] Uh yeah and he actually introduced me to [07:27] a lot of the music I hear now. [07:29] >> Yeah. So Kanita can you take us back to [07:32] that day? So what happened? You woke up [07:35] in the morning at what time? [07:37] >> 6:30. About 6:30 I woke up. And [07:40] >> you were at home. [07:40] >> I was at home alone. [07:42] >> There was huge noise outside, sirens [07:46] going on and bombing [07:50] rockets, [07:52] >> but it was really huge. And I went to my [07:56] safe room as usual when there are [07:58] rockets and sirens going on. [08:00] >> It was more than the usual. [08:02] >> But it was more than usual. And I [08:04] started looking in my cell phone. What [08:08] happened during the night? [08:09] >> How come [08:11] this is happening? Something very [08:13] unusual. It was lots of noise and [08:17] >> and rockets and sirens. Did it didn't [08:21] stop. [08:21] >> No. And about 10 minutes later, my son [08:26] that was part of the first responders [08:30] wrote me a text and it said, "Mommy, [08:34] close your house." [08:36] I wrote him back, "Why? What happened?" [08:39] But I went and locked the doors because [08:43] they were not locked. I usually slept [08:46] with doors not locked, windows open. [08:49] >> And then he texted me back. and the [08:52] windows as well. [08:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. Because you say your son was [08:55] a first responder. Can you explain what [08:57] that means? [08:58] >> It's a group of volunteers [09:00] >> that [09:02] are trained twice a year. Not very [09:07] specific training, but to to [09:12] control some um security situations in [09:16] the kibuts. [09:17] >> So they take care of the sec security, [09:19] >> but they never did before. No, [09:21] >> it's was the first time they actually [09:23] had to do something. They were just [09:25] trained to do it. And the order was they [09:28] were they had two orders. One, not to [09:30] keep the weapons at home, [09:32] >> only in the armory. [09:34] >> Mhm. [09:34] >> Because the army was afraid of thieves [09:38] that will take the weapons. And the [09:40] other thing that was said to him to [09:42] them, they have to keep the the kibbut [09:45] safe for about 15 minutes until the army [09:48] arrives [09:49] >> comes in to help. [09:50] >> Just maximum 15 minutes. The army should [09:53] be there and [09:55] >> and take charge. [09:56] >> Yeah. But he texted you. He said, "Close [09:58] your house. Make sure that nobody can [10:00] enter your house." What did you think [10:02] back then? [10:04] >> I I didn't understand what's going on. [10:06] Now I know he probably saved my life. [10:09] >> I didn't save his, but he saved my life [10:12] >> because everything was open. The windows [10:14] was were open. And a few minutes later, [10:18] I started her hearing [10:21] people banging on my door and my windows [10:25] and going up the staircase outside my [10:28] house to the roof and shooting from [10:30] there all over. And I started hearing [10:34] Arabic shouts outside and I was locking [10:40] myself closing myself in the in the safe [10:43] room. [10:43] >> Did you realize at that moment what was [10:45] happening? [10:47] >> I don't think so. I I was very busy with [10:50] my cell phone with the WhatsApp. [10:52] Everyone [10:54] >> around asked me what's going on. [10:56] >> What happened? [10:58] >> Yes. But they didn't know. And I was [11:00] trying to to keep in touch with my [11:03] daughter-in-law to see if she's okay [11:05] with the kids. I I didn't understand [11:08] that Aviv went out of the house [11:10] >> to protect protect. I I understood it [11:13] just later. [11:14] >> Right. But you were alone, locked in [11:17] into your safe room and you heard people [11:19] uh Palestinian terrorists walking on the [11:22] roof of your house. [11:23] >> Yes. And shooting [11:24] >> and shooting. [11:25] >> Shooting all around. And we we got a [11:30] message on the WhatsApp group to h to um [11:35] >> to hold [11:35] >> hold the handle [11:37] >> safe room [11:38] >> because the safe room is designed the [11:41] way that you can't lock it from the [11:43] inside. [11:45] >> So I started holding the handle and very [11:50] soon I realized I have no chance. Uh, [11:54] how can I hold the handle if the [11:57] Palestinians are coming against them? I [12:00] have no chance holding it. So, I looked [12:03] around and I had small desk in the safe [12:06] room and I crawled down under the the [12:10] the desk and I had a suitcase there. I [12:14] put it in front so if they will come in [12:19] hopefully they won't see me. [12:21] >> And I sat there. for more than 20 hours [12:24] and waited. [12:25] >> What about you, Alon? You were not in [12:27] the kibbuts when 7th of October started. [12:30] So, what was the first thing you heard [12:33] about what was happening in the south? [12:36] >> I mean, like the first thing I heard was [12:38] actually I mean like I didn't hear it. I [12:40] saw it on the WhatsApp groups. [12:43] >> It was actually like a screenshot of the [12:48] >> Kiboot's WhatsApp group of of the [12:51] mothers. Mhm. [12:52] >> And they said like they the screenshot [12:56] said that they saw people like all [12:58] wearing black [13:00] >> like running in the streets of the [13:03] kibuts. [13:03] >> This was the first [13:05] >> the first thing that I like understood. [13:08] Okay, something's weird is happening. [13:10] But [13:11] >> because where were you at that time? [13:12] >> I was up north. I was working in [13:15] agriculture in the Golan Heights. [13:17] >> So far away from [13:18] >> Yeah, far away. When I saw the the text [13:21] messages I of people who were like black [13:25] and with guns, [13:27] like I thought it wasn't real. [13:29] >> Like I was sure it maybe some kids [13:32] pulling a prank, but after that I [13:34] started seeing the videos of like [13:37] tractors putting up the fences in our [13:40] kibuts and uh terrorists on on pickup [13:44] trucks in St. [13:46] >> Yeah. [13:47] >> That's when I understood. Okay. [13:49] >> So that was the time you realized that [13:51] it was very [13:52] >> Now it needs something that never [13:53] happened before and it's like even when [13:56] I saw it like unfolding through the [13:59] WhatsApp messages [14:00] >> it was really hard to understand what [14:03] was actually happening because [14:05] >> like we tried like the people from at [14:08] least me from the outside and a lot of [14:10] other people to maybe decipher the route [14:15] of the terrorist in the kibuts because [14:18] were actually trying to to to [14:21] discover what was going on to in order [14:23] to help the kibot. [14:24] >> Yeah, exactly. Try to connect with war [14:27] rooms of the army and notify them and [14:30] get them in. Uh we just try to do [14:33] everything we could. [14:35] >> Did you have time in the beginning to [14:36] think about people that were still ina [14:39] like your friends? [14:40] >> I talked to them. I talked to them [14:42] through the WhatsApp groups also like in [14:45] the private messages. Mhm. [14:48] >> And initially I thought it will be all [14:50] fine and it will be over soon. But [14:53] >> And what about your family? [14:54] >> Uh my family they were there actually [14:57] pretty soon when it started my mother [15:01] told me that her friend like a good [15:04] friend of hers just got broken into by [15:07] the terrorist and she told me don't tell [15:09] anyone because we don't want to like [15:12] create panic. the we're [15:16] waiting for the army and the first [15:18] response squad to get there and manage [15:21] the situation. We don't want to [15:23] >> to cause panic. [15:24] >> Sure. [15:24] >> Uh so when the [15:27] when my little brother who was 16 at the [15:30] time when he messaged me that the [15:32] terrorists are coming in our house now I [15:35] had like a second of thought of what [15:39] what should I do? Should I tell people? [15:40] And after that second, it went away [15:43] pretty fast and I messaged everyone I [15:46] could. [15:46] >> Of course. Yeah. [15:47] >> But did you realize at that moment that [15:50] this was so dangerous for your fans, for [15:52] your family? [15:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I did but I I [15:55] didn't know like the the size of the [15:58] event of what happening like we thought [16:01] maybe like a few units of terrorists [16:05] nothing more never like the actual I [16:10] think the official numbers are between [16:12] 200 and 300 terrorist [16:15] for us. [16:16] >> Wow. Yeah. So you were waiting in your [16:18] shelter [16:20] >> safe room. In your safe room for how [16:23] long? [16:24] >> For more than 20 hours. [16:25] >> More than 20 hours. [16:26] >> Yes. At about 7:30, [16:29] my daughter-in-law called me and said, [16:32] "Viv is injured." He called her and he [16:36] told her, "First of all, tell everyone [16:38] that they are wearing IDF uniform, so [16:41] don't open your doors." You mean the [16:43] terrorists were wearing IDF uniform. [16:46] Don't open the doors. [16:49] And then he said he's injured and [16:52] get help. Get the army. Where are they? [16:57] And then she called me and said Aviv is [17:00] injured. I I I didn't I I couldn't I I [17:06] couldn't understand [17:09] what are what is she talking about? [17:10] Where is he? [17:11] >> Yeah. [17:13] And and then she said, "Come, please [17:16] come to be with me in the to be with the [17:19] kids. I'm going to rescue him." [17:22] >> I told her, "What are you talking about? [17:24] How can you go and rescue him? There's [17:26] an army. [17:27] >> What can you do?" Yeah. [17:28] >> There there's rockets outside. There's [17:32] >> terrorists. Many terrorists there [17:34] they're they're shooting. I'm not coming [17:36] to your house. Although it's 5 minutes [17:38] walk and you're not going anywhere. keep [17:41] the kids safe. He'll be okay. He will be [17:44] okay. He's a big guy and there's the [17:47] army that will rescue him. How come you [17:49] want to go and rescue him? [17:53] >> And she said, "Okay, I'll try to get [17:57] other help." [17:59] >> And um [18:02] now we know what really happened there. [18:05] when he arrived and he started fighting. [18:09] They they they he and his few friends [18:12] that were with him [18:14] >> started fighting and they saw there were [18:16] so many terrorists, they started to [18:19] retreat and figure out what to do and [18:22] how to get help. [18:24] >> And then he saw two of his friends from [18:27] the first responders [18:29] >> team on on the grass and he said, "But [18:32] we can't leave them here. They are [18:33] injured." and he ran to try to save them [18:37] and he was shot during this run. And [18:41] then he called his wife and then he [18:44] called [18:45] um the wife of his friend that was [18:48] >> near him and he told her, "Your husband [18:51] says he loves you." [18:55] And then another [18:59] friend from the this unit shouted to [19:02] him, "I'm coming to rescue you." So he [19:05] told him, "Don't come. You will be shot [19:08] as well. You'll be killed as well. Go [19:10] and get help." Because they were on the [19:12] roofs and they were ambushing all this [19:15] area of the armory in Karaza. [19:20] And the friend went. So he probably [19:23] saved his life too. [19:24] >> Yeah. [19:25] >> And um the last words he wrote for us in [19:29] the WhatsApp group was he loves [19:31] everyone. [19:33] And I didn't understand why does he [19:35] write me now? He loves everyone. [19:37] >> He was saying goodbye actually. [19:39] >> Yeah. But I didn't I I couldn't, you [19:41] know, understand that in that moment. I [19:44] couldn't [19:45] >> and [19:48] I I tried to get help. No one answered. [19:52] Tried to get some medical help. No one [19:56] answered. [19:58] Now I know that no one could get to him. [20:01] But when we went out of the kibuts many [20:05] hours later, [20:07] >> we we try we went to all the hospitals [20:10] in the area trying to figure out where [20:13] he is because there were many people [20:15] that came in to the hospitals that were [20:17] weren't recognized and weren't in the [20:20] lists. M [20:21] >> so we went to try to recognize where is [20:23] he [20:26] just only Monday afternoon we got a [20:29] telephone call that he was recognized [20:31] >> they said two two days afterwards [20:34] >> almost 3 days after he he phoned and [20:37] said he's injured [20:39] >> and they found him in the same spot [20:42] >> he was [20:44] >> when he phoned and [20:46] >> no one could get to him. There was a [20:49] >> cool battle there for 4 days. [20:51] >> Yeah. So Alon, you were on a far away [20:55] from your village and you heard also [20:58] heard all the stories coming in and you [21:00] were trying to figure out what was [21:01] actually going on there. [21:03] >> So how did your day continue or your [21:05] days? [21:06] >> Um I mean like I was surrounded by [21:09] people who weren't from the kibut. As [21:12] soon as it started, I felt the urge to [21:16] come and be with someone from IKEA boots [21:19] and try to help in [21:22] understand. [21:23] >> Yeah. So I like eventually I I went down [21:28] to the center of of Israel [21:31] >> to a girlfriend's place like a a friend [21:36] of mine. He has a girlfriend in the [21:39] center. So I went to her house where he [21:42] also was [21:44] >> and like at that time both of our [21:46] families were in the kibuts in the safe [21:49] rooms [21:51] like out of touch like we haven't heard [21:53] from both of them in hours. [21:57] >> Uh so yeah I mean like just being [22:00] together with him with someone who is [22:02] experiencing the same thing it it really [22:05] helped like I [22:07] >> Yeah. So, when did you hear about uh the [22:11] about your friends, your true friends? [22:13] >> Um, I mean like one of them it took me [22:18] not so long to figure out that he's [22:20] dead. I mean like the [22:22] >> the official saying that he's actually [22:24] dead and they like identified his body [22:29] came like a few days later. But even [22:33] when I was still up north before I went [22:35] down to the center, I I already knew he [22:38] was dead because of what people were [22:40] writing in the WhatsApp groups. [22:44] >> Eventually, I mean, like I talk about [22:47] Neta now [22:49] >> and he his story is that he was in the [22:53] shelter with in the safe room with his [22:56] girlfriend and he actually saved her by [22:59] jumping on the grenade. Uh and she [23:03] actually like she she she lives on. She [23:06] survived. Yeah. She ran away. She got [23:09] rescued. Actually, when she got rescued, [23:11] the her and the soldiers like they found [23:15] shelter in my apartment because they got [23:18] tackled when they went out. [23:20] >> Yeah. [23:21] >> So, yeah, now she lives on to to tell [23:23] the story, his story. [23:25] >> And what about Uval? uh Yuval we lost [23:29] touch with him about uh 1:40 I think [23:34] >> in the afternoon [23:35] >> in the afternoon was I was also [23:38] messaging him but he obviously he was [23:40] occupied he couldn't really respond [23:44] >> and the thing about him like his story [23:47] on that day is that we don't know [23:50] >> no [23:50] >> we don't really know the story [23:51] >> for now you don't know it [23:53] >> we don't know it for sure there are some [23:55] speculation ations of stories of things [23:59] that soldiers that were there that they [24:02] saw and think maybe this maybe that but [24:04] we have [24:05] >> exactly [24:06] >> nothing [24:08] like of that that is actually we know [24:11] that happened nothing [24:12] >> perfect what about your family when did [24:14] you hear that they were safe [24:19] >> when like when they got rescued [24:24] uh like [24:26] >> my the the boyfriend of my sister, he [24:31] called me and said that there they were [24:34] rescued because his family went to like [24:38] to get them from Ashkalon. Yeah. Yeah. [24:42] >> So, yeah, it was about I think [24:48] 7 and a half 8 something like that [24:51] >> in the evening. And [24:53] >> that's when like I just uh went straight [24:56] down there to to meet them soon as I [24:58] heard. [24:59] >> Wow. Yeah. So, uh you still live you [25:04] live again in I must say. [25:06] >> Yeah, I [25:06] >> you don't. [25:08] >> No, I don't. So, first of all, you isn't [25:10] it hard to live in a place where such [25:12] horrible things happened? [25:13] >> Uh, it's really hard. [25:15] >> Yeah. [25:15] >> Yeah, it's really hard. [25:18] >> Yeah. Yeah, I still do it. Uh, I mean [25:21] like I have [25:23] I mean like I think about it a lot [25:25] because there was a lot of difficulties [25:27] even bes besides the emotional [25:30] difficulty like physical difficulty. The [25:32] whole kibbutz is still [25:34] >> destroyed. Yeah. [25:35] >> Was destroyed and is still under [25:37] construction. Like it comes with a lot [25:40] of prices. [25:41] >> And there are still Gaza very close by. [25:43] >> Yeah. And we still hear the explosions [25:45] every time. We still even get some [25:49] threats now and then like alarm set off. [25:52] >> So why do you want to live there? [25:54] Um to me it's I walk on a very thin line [25:59] of [26:00] either be able to live in the kibuts or [26:04] or live in the country [26:06] >> because if I won't be if I won't feel [26:09] that I can live in the kibuts I can [26:13] always take it a step further because if [26:15] I can't live in the kibuts [26:17] >> maybe I can't live in Israel. Where [26:19] where would I live in Israel? It's not [26:21] safe. It's not really safe anywhere in [26:24] Israel. [26:24] >> So with that logic, I should flee the [26:27] country, [26:28] >> right? But [26:29] >> so I really wanted [26:31] >> to be able and to feel to have security [26:35] >> in the kibuts, especially in the kib. [26:37] >> Kita, you you chose something different, [26:40] huh? [26:40] >> Yes, I did. [26:44] We really didn't get to choose. We were [26:48] evacuated and [26:51] to fame in the center of the country [26:54] fame that really got [26:58] >> got a very welcome warm welcome to us [27:01] very warm welcome and they hugged us and [27:05] >> gave us anything we needed. [27:07] >> Is this a place where you you're going [27:09] to stay living? [27:11] >> No. No. So I can stay there until this [27:14] summer [27:15] >> and I have to to decide if [27:18] >> because why is that? Because then all [27:20] the evacuees should have their own [27:22] house. That's the reason. [27:23] >> That's right. It it's it's finished the [27:26] evacuation, [27:27] >> right? [27:28] >> The government decided it's finished [27:31] after [27:32] >> not for Kanita. [27:33] >> Yes. But for me as well, [27:35] >> I I have to decide either I I go back to [27:38] my beautiful home in Karaza that I can't [27:41] be there. [27:43] I I can't stand it anymore. I lived [27:45] there for 31 years, but I'm afraid to go [27:48] back. [27:49] >> Mhm. [27:50] >> In this three years, I was there for [27:54] maybe three or four times just with the [27:56] checklist. [27:57] >> Mhm. [27:58] >> Went to take things I needed and [28:01] >> that's it. [28:01] >> Just it. [28:02] >> Yeah. [28:04] And my daughter-in-law is living in the [28:07] center of now of Israel. She wanted a [28:10] stable home for the kids and for her [28:13] after everything. And she said, "I'm not [28:16] going back." [28:18] >> And my younger son, Ori, and saw his [28:21] wife are living in Tel Aviv because [28:24] >> she never wanted to come to Faza. She [28:27] was afraid. So [28:31] I won't go back. [28:32] >> No. So [28:33] >> I can't go back. So [28:34] >> I'm still unsure for you where your [28:36] freedom. [28:36] >> So I have to decide I have to to decide [28:39] what to do. I have very good friends [28:41] there. [28:42] >> I miss them very much. [28:45] >> My whole life [28:47] >> was destroyed that day. My whole life. [28:50] >> Yeah. [28:51] >> And I don't know. I don't have the [28:53] strength to do anything with myself. But [28:56] I have to. I I I know I have to find [29:00] myself a home for the future. [29:04] >> I have one final question for the both [29:06] of you. Uh because you you come to the [29:09] Netherlands to share your story here. [29:12] Why uh you think it's important that [29:14] people in Holland know know what [29:16] happened on the 7th of October? What [29:18] would be your message to the people [29:20] watching this show? What is important to [29:22] know about Israel and what happened [29:24] there? [29:29] Um, I think there's a lot I mean like we [29:32] come here in order to you to have like a [29:35] like first testimony [29:38] >> like um and we want you to hear it from [29:41] the source and we want to tell our [29:42] story. Um and I think we [29:47] we rely on uh also one of the hard [29:52] things that that we rely we rely on the [29:54] rest of the world and currently our [29:56] image is not so good. [29:57] >> Mhm. [29:58] >> Uh so if [30:01] >> it's a responsibility you [30:02] >> Yeah. Exactly. And if I want to ask one [30:04] thing is to help us with that with that [30:07] image because it's so important [30:10] >> for our country in the long run. [30:12] >> Thank you. And what about you, Kita? [30:14] >> We were blessed that Ruth Choice invited [30:17] us here this week [30:20] to tell our story. And I want [30:26] everyone to hear our story and know what [30:29] happened to us and how we lived very [30:33] good life before October the 7th in [30:36] Kuraza. [30:36] >> Mhm. and how our lives were destroyed [30:40] and so many people were brutally killed [30:44] there and kidnapped. 19 were kidnapped [30:47] in Kaza. 64 brutally [30:50] >> murdered, [30:51] >> killed, [30:53] children [30:55] and families. [30:57] >> You say it's important that the world [30:59] knows. [30:59] >> I want the world to know that. [31:01] >> Yeah. [31:01] >> I lost friends. I lost students. I lost [31:05] my my ch my friend's children. [31:08] I lost my son. [31:11] >> So for me, the whole world needs to know [31:13] that [31:15] that happened. That really happened. [31:18] >> Yeah. Thank you both of you, Alon and [31:22] for coming here and sharing your story. [31:24] Thank you. [31:24] >> Thank you for having us. [31:25] >> Thank you. [31:29] Foreign [31:41] speech. Foreign speech.
