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@prometheusX10D Hamas killed more Palestinians than the Israeli terrorists you're trying to compare Hamas to -- you betcha. By a couple of orders of magnitude. It is not "simply a resistance group." It has big and deep ideas, a particular Islamic tradition rooted in the Muslim Brotherhood. Do

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@prometheusX10D Palestinians are absolutely suffering. And absolutely victims here. And I have never, not for a minute of my life, not lived in a world in which some leaders of Middle Eastern nations didn't publicly call for my extermination. In fact, that's true of my dad's life as well. I

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@prometheusX10D Those Israelis attacking those villages are terrorists. I've been saying that for years. Not sure what you mean about Hamas not being like them...Hamas has killed waaaaay more Palestinians than Israeli extremists ever did. Ask Hamas what it plans for the Israelis -- because

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@SilencedByJs Proportionally you mean 2,000 across three years? That figure tells you that the entire UK Jewish community are traitors? Even that figure is a lie. It's the total number of UK citizens in the IDF, including officers. Not all of them are actually British Jews, many are Jews

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@SilencedByJs A minuscule group of British Jews make aliyah and serve in the IDF. A tinier group still serve in the British military. Neither are representative of anything. You started the whataboutism by taking a conversation about very high rates of bigotry in the Muslim community and

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@prometheusX10D When have I ever refused to call Palestinians Palestinian? The current government is the most right-wing we've ever had. It absolutely refuses to rein in the violent Israeli terrorists. And even at their worst, they're nothing compared to what Hamas wants and plans to do to us

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@prometheusX10D And all of the above is true even if you really truly believe Israelis are just inherently evil.

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@prometheusX10D No. I'm trying to sell the idea that there's a legitimate Palestinian cause and a crazy-stupid-illegitimate one. And Palestinians keep confusing the two. This is, believe it or not, the mainstream Israeli view. There's always been that bifurcation in Palestinian politics over

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@prometheusX10D *Palestinians* don't say that (I mean, quite a few do behind closed doors. But most don't). But Hamas say it. They sometimes pride themselves on their humanity -- and then justify every atrocity and every murder of every child. They absolutely believe that Israel must be totally

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@prometheusX10D I think a specific Salafist line of the Muslim Brotherhood tradition views the establishment of Israel as not just some geopolitical foe, but as a war against God's plan for Islam and for history itself -- and Hamas embodies that view in Palestinian politics. I think, in other

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@OliverCash9 @bethanyshondark Not really, no. Definitely not the role that Hamas’s defenders pretend. These ideas were spreading through Palestinian society all on their own. Hamas’s schools and charities spread them, not some Israeli conspiracy. Some stupid Israeli officials argued that Israel shouldn’t

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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@prometheusX10D We’re constantly discussing problems in Jewish society. But this isn’t a random problem, like crime. This is specifically about the theocratic ethos and Islamism of Hamas. The same ideology that marginalizes women in Gazan society also drives the forever war. I and my children

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@WeCareAboutMH Really? Beliefs that Muslims control the world? That genocides against Muslims never happened? That Muslim nations don’t deserve self-determination? You have polls showing that such ideas are widespread in the Jewish community? We’re not talking banal stereotypes, but

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@AbramsNoss67152 Good point. Maybe it’s my Zionist upbringing coming through. Zionists are pessimists on this point. No bigot will change merely because their bigotry is deemed evil. Bigotry is too useful. So we point out its deleterious effects on the host society. Maybe that’ll convince a few.

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@didiseegs @SeptimusSulla I asked you what institution will stop a religious-right majority from setting a religious standard for a Knesset run. Your only answer is that personal security matters more than minority rights. So I ask again. What institution would stop a religious-right majority from

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@Track607 @Rafi_Eis I know a great many in Ra’am who think Hamas are the ruination of their people. Heck, I know Ra’am voters who served in the IDF with me. So…they shouldn’t be represented in the Knesset? They’re all “Islamists,” case closed?

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@dmanbrady You wrote: “Israel cannot claim to be the only democracy in the Middle-East while simultaneously trying to bar Arab parties from elections.” It would emphatically still be by far the best in the entire MENA even if it went down that dark path.

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@dmanbrady You’d be amazed how much worse Israel would have to get before it lost its first-place position as the most democratic country in the Middle East. It’s always weird to me that people mock that claim, as if it isn’t utterly correct and kinda fundamental to understanding the

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And it isn't one report. The data points are pretty comprehensive and all point in the same direction. This is a deep cultural radicalization now two generations on from the Gaza that once boasted theaters and cinemas, and where women could choose how they appeared in public. x.com/aziz0nomics/st…

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Haviv Rettig Gur@havivrettiggur

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This is not a small detail. It isn't Israeli propaganda or some minor factoid to add to the litany of Gazan suffering. This is part of the larger cause of Gaza's situation: the Islamist radicalization of Gazan society and politics that began in the 1970s, begat Hamas in the x.com/nypost/status/…

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